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Production Techniques and Chemistry => Colloidal Gold Production => Topic started by: pirepol on July 30, 2020, 12:52:25 PM

Title: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: pirepol on July 30, 2020, 12:52:25 PM
Hey guys,

I'm very eager to try this thing, I already placed the order for 100mL 1% gold chloride solution (not from salt lake minerals, but a local vendor in europe).

So now I'm looking for an idiot proof guide. Link shared from another thread: https://www.cgcsforum.org/index.php?topic=757.0

I was told to check 2 last methods, e.g last one:

Quote
40 ppm Colloidal Gold, chemical reduction -- Karo Corn Syrup /  Washing Soda
250ml cold distilled water
10 drops 1 molar sodium carbonate solution
10 drops Karo corn syrup diluted 50%
1 ml Gold Chloride containing 10 mg gold (Available from SaltLakeMetals.com).
Stir
Heat about 2 minutes in microwave or until it starts to boil or ruby color develops.
Allow to cool.

1. How to prepare "1 molar sodium carbonate solution"? I see a local vendor selling "sodium carbonate" 1kg 2€. How do I make it 1 molar? How many ml are 10 drops?
2. karo corn syrup also sold by a local vendor. To dilute it to 50%, do I mix e.g. 50ml of karo corn syrup with 50ml of distilled water? How many ml are 10 drops?
3. Could stir be done with teaspoon? How long to stir?
4. Heat in microwave at what temperature?
5. Can all of this chemical mixing and heating be done in a typical kitchen ceramic cup?
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: pirepol on July 31, 2020, 09:47:20 AM
1% gold chloride arrived. Eager to try.


Is it possible to heat on a kitchen stove instead of using a microwave (don't have one, but I can acquire if needed)? Do I need to stop heating as soon as boiling starts?
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: pirepol on July 31, 2020, 06:24:02 PM
Like someone in my previous thread implied (https://www.cgcsforum.org/index.php?topic=5256.15), if my "1% gold chloride solution" (vendor in croatia) contains only 64.9% of gold (else is chloride), which means that my "1% gold chloride solution" contains only 0.649% gold, would the same recipe work?

I was planning to do 30mg/30 days, but looks like I'll have to reduce the dosage - doesn't matter at all for the beginning, I just need to know whether there is any effect on me from this substance. If there is any, I can prepare as much as needed for the next iteration.

EDIT: maybe instead of 1ml as said in the recipe, I should just use 1.54ml (1/0.649), which would make the gold amount the same? Or not?
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: cfnisbet on August 01, 2020, 08:04:58 AM
Yes, you just have to increase the dose to obtain the correct amount of gold. It is milligrams of gold that count, not the strength of the gold chloride.
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: pirepol on August 01, 2020, 02:58:36 PM
Looks like I did it, here was my process:


1. took a small metal pot (main pot), added 250ml distilled water
2. took a small plastic cup, added distilled water 80ml, 8.416g sodium carbonate, mixed with a metal knife until I didn't see any white powder anymore
3. added 10 drops of a liquid made in #2 = 0.5ml (http://www.endmemo.com/sconvert/milliliterdrop.php) to the main pot
4. took another small plastic cup, added 20ml karo corn syrup, 20ml distilled water, mixed with a metal knife
5. added 10 drops = 0.5ml of a liquid made in #4 to the main pot
6. added 1.54ml 1% gold chloride solution (local vendor, not salt lake minerals) to the main pot
7. stirred for a few minutes with a metallic end of a syringe (didn’t want to use the same knife, don’t know if any gold chloride will stick to it after washing it and whether that will be toxic somehow).
8. At the very beginning of stirring, I did see some shades of ruby color at the bottom of the pot, but that quickly faded away as I mixed. The water obtained overall a sort of a dark blue color
9. Put the main pot on an electric stove, set heating to max.
10. Waited until boiling started
11. Set the heating to zero
12. Allowing to cool down. Liquid turned to a ruby color after few minutes!


I was planning 30mg/day but I think at the beginning I should start with a lower amount. Thinking a few teaspoons of this liquid to see whether I don't die and then half of this liquid (5mg gold). Anyway, is it safe to drink all this liquid with 10mg gold all at once, or do I drink it distributed during the day?

If I was to make 3 of these (to reach 30mg of gold), can I just triple the weights, volumes and do it in a single process or do I have to repeat it 3 times for any reason?

How long to wait during cool down process? Eager to try.

EDIT: drank all, didn't die
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: gold purifier on August 22, 2020, 03:48:54 PM
I would like to know why, the experts do not respond with the necessary guidance after all, this should be the purpose of the forum. Nobody gives any opinion on the subject and that is disheartening.
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: SaltyCornflakes on August 22, 2020, 04:33:44 PM
The forum hosts a wealth of information and you will find most questions already answered. Threads like these suggest people prefer having info fed to them rather than doing a bit of research. I get it, we were all new to this once. But have some consideration for the experts. And do the leg work.
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: Gene on August 23, 2020, 02:39:32 AM
I don't have a clue WHAT you're talking about regarding the experts not chiming in. cfnisbet did a couple days after the initial post. He's the Administrator but also an expert.

Guidance? Read all the numbered articles, search around the forum as pretty much every question thats being asked today has already been answered in the past and then if you can't find the answer or you simply can't get your head around it if you do, ask a question.

You learn nothing by having people spoon feeding you. You have to do your homework and do your own research first. Gee, just like school.
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: nix2p on August 23, 2020, 03:08:09 AM
@ gold purifier:

Welcome aboard.

I recall when I got my citizenship, I had to learn and do lots of reading, to understand
requirements in order to obtain citizenship.

Then when I got my driver license, I had to go though the same routine... I think you got the point.

... So for us to respond to questions, (questions are formed, once the material is read), folks that are new to this endeavor, need to read articles that are already posted by no one else but the MASTER - Kephra... and we all went through the same routine.

If you have a question or need to solve a problem, please post it.

Regards

Nix 

 
 
Title: How do I move a thread to a different topic?
Post by: upssVar on March 24, 2021, 11:09:36 PM
How do I move a thread to a different topic?
hi all :)
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: Gene on March 26, 2021, 08:47:38 PM
As a user I don't think you can.  Contact cfnisbet.  He's the Admin and I'm sure he can help you.
Title: Re: How do I move a thread to a different topic?
Post by: cfnisbet on March 27, 2021, 10:44:34 AM
How do I move a thread to a different topic?
hi all :)
Where do you want it moved, or do you want me to choose?
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: pirepol on June 03, 2022, 05:44:15 PM
tldr:
250ml distilled water
50mg sodium carbonate
0.25ml karo corn syrup
1.54ml 1% gold chloride
stir, heat until boil, then stop heat, cool down
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: kephra on June 03, 2022, 09:27:25 PM
tldr:
250ml distilled water
50mg sodium carbonate
0.25ml karo corn syrup
1.54ml 1% gold chloride
stir, heat until boil, then stop heat, cool down
I must be missing something here, is this a question, or something else?
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: Eugene on June 07, 2022, 04:45:13 PM
I'd definitely be thankful for an idiot proof guide breaking down all the steps and the equipment...

Can anyone list a quick rundown of the equipment like a good power supply, any chemicals needed and so on?
I'd like to start off producing batches of Kephra's 660 ppm colloidal gold formula. It's not that I haven't been reading articles but they it can be hard to navigate information across the site sometimes just to put together a basic equipment list and practical instructions on what to then do with it all..
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: kephra on June 07, 2022, 06:32:29 PM
I would suggest that you start with 40ppm.  660 ppm is touchy and critical. 
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: Gene on June 08, 2022, 08:14:11 AM
I was going to post the same thing.

Kephra is a professional of many decades.

Someone just starting out isn't.

As is said, you have to crawl before you walk. Buy a bottle of SLM 1% gold chloride solution and learn to make good quality 40PPM first by the easy way. One 50ml bottle will make 50 250ml batches. You probably also want to buy a low ml high accuracy pipette or a tuberculine syringe (I think they're 1ml full stroke) to measure out the gold chloride accurately. Neither should be overly expensive.

Even if you venture out and start making via electrolysis, start with 40PPM and learn how to do it properly first.

Regardless how good the information is, you don't learn anything by reading it. You have to do it, maybe several times before it sinks in and you sometimes find that there are little tweaks to the procedure that work better for you.

Gold isn't a cheap metal compared to silver. If you blow a batch of Colloidal Silver, maybe you pour a quarters worth of silver down the drain. Blow a batch of colloidal gold, especially something like 660PPM and you could be pouring $5-10 or more worth of gold down the drain. OUCH!

We're all a bit impatient when we start out but you have to have restraint and patience. It takes time for humans to learn things and become expert at them. That doesn't happen overnight.

If you want to experiment, fine but learn how to make the basics first. That knowledge is invaluable.
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: Milemanager on March 17, 2024, 09:24:17 PM
I am a bit of a new guy here, I have read lots of the articles and processes to making colloidal gold and Colloidal Silver.  Right now I am focusing on the colloidal gold to help with my knee pain due to arthritis/inflammation.

I have made several batches of the colloidal gold using the simple chemical method.  I have been taking it for now two weeks and saw a marked improvement on only day 3.  Now I sleep through the night, no more pain medications.  It's great!

I have been taking 8oz daily in a single dose just before bed of the 40ppm colloidal gold.  Is this too much? I am thinking of reducing my intake, to see what works, just looking for someone that already experimented with doses and have a suggested effective dose that works for a 230 lbs guy like me.  Many sources online say a tablespoon.  Not sure if this would do anything.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: kephra on March 17, 2024, 09:35:30 PM
I am a bit of a new guy here, I have read lots of the articles and processes to making colloidal gold and Colloidal Silver.  Right now I am focusing on the colloidal gold to help with my knee pain due to arthritis/inflammation.

I have made several batches of the colloidal gold using the simple chemical method.  I have been taking it for now two weeks and saw a marked improvement on only day 3.  Now I sleep through the night, no more pain medications.  It's great!

I have been taking 8oz daily in a single dose just before bed of the 40ppm colloidal gold.  Is this too much? I am thinking of reducing my intake, to see what works, just looking for someone that already experimented with doses and have a suggested effective dose that works for a 230 lbs guy like me.  Many sources online say a tablespoon.  Not sure if this would do anything.  Thanks.
The clinical trials using colloidal gold for arthritic conditions use 30mg per day.  This is equivalent to 3 250ml doses made with 1 ml of gold chloride per each 250ml.  Once your symptoms are improved, you can drop back to one dose per day, which is what I did.  A tablespoon is a f--king joke brought about by sellers who don't know anything except that no one would pay $80 for 1 dose, and that the FDA would never consider an 8 ounce serving size to be a supplement which is the only way it can be sold.
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: Milemanager on March 17, 2024, 09:43:08 PM
Thank you for the quick reply. I agree the idea of a tablespoon as a dose is crazy, so little actual gold. I was taking 8oz (approx 236ml) and noticed a great improvement, I may try to increase to 3 doses per day to see if I notice more of a result. I figure each dose costs about $2. So it could be expensive long term, but better than the drugs in my system!
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: Milemanager on March 17, 2024, 09:59:38 PM
I was using the sodium carbonate and Karo syrup method with Gold chloride from Sirius Metals (1% Gold Metal - 0.5 grams in 50mL)

Just wanting to know the chemical process of suspending the gold in distilled water.  I understand the chloride boils off as the temperature gets to 212f, but is the gold bonding to the sugar in the Karo or to the sodium carbonate?  Also, the color is due to the absorption/reflection of light through the liquid so this ruby red color, does it tell me the quality or success of the colloidal gold process?
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: kephra on March 17, 2024, 10:02:18 PM
Karo or sugar bonds to the gold, not the washing soda.
Color indicates particles size.  You want ruby red.  Blue indicates large particles that are not effective.
Title: Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
Post by: Pemf silver on March 24, 2024, 06:26:52 PM
From Kehpras note book :

https://www.cgcsforum.org/index.php?topic=757.0