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Title: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: sadie_belle on February 04, 2020, 10:37:59 AM
Is the Silvertron still being made?  I went to the online store and it has been down for maintenance for several days.  How can I purchase one, I’m located in the USA?
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: cfnisbet on February 04, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
You can PM Kephra. He is the masterful person who makes them, and no-one else has the required skill to do so. The technology and theory is well-known, but the ability to put the theory into a convenient box is not a commonplace.
Title: SilverTrons are no longer available
Post by: kephra on February 16, 2020, 11:13:31 PM
This January 3rd, I gained 6 inches around my waist in 2 days.  Wife took me to hospital where I was CT scanned and ultrasounded.  Results showed I have non-alcohol fatty liver, ascites, enlarged heart, enlarged pulmonary artery, and diverticulitis.  I was given an Rx for augmentin and sent home.  I couldn't eat much, and in 5 weeks, have lost 30 pounds. But, I have not recovered.  I suspect a misdiagnosis.

So, I no longer have the strength or ability to build SilverTrons.  Accordingly, I am closing the SilverTron store.

To all the people who have been asking me when they would be available again, I doubt they ever will.

I wish you all well and I thank all of my past customers.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Bobby on February 17, 2020, 08:40:11 AM
   Well damn Kephra that’s is some bad news.  It seems that bad news is all that’s going around right now.  Next to my dad your about the toughest guy I know.  You have fought this crappie system for a long time and I feel for you my friend.

  A misdiagnoses???  Yep I bet your right!  Nobody knows our own body like we do.  Hell my cardiologist just told me I have an aneurysm on my aorta at the valve on my heart.  He said go home and think about it and we will decide what to do in June?  Until then don’t do anything strenuous?  Well OK then!  Yep we are at their mercy but keep on fighting like I know you will. 

   Let me thank you on the worlds behalf for the giant gift that is the SilverTron Elite.  Well not just the Elite, but the Jr’s and the minis.  They are irreplaceable in my mind.  Then there is all the research and knowledge you have shared on colloidal silver and colloidal gold. 

   Hero is an overused phrase but that’s you for sure!  Are you blushing yet?  Well it’s all true!  Hero, hero hero!

   You are a great example for us all.  Me and mine will be praying for you and yours.  God bless you my brother and remember, if you need anything just let us know.

Bobby
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Familyman on February 17, 2020, 08:25:37 PM
So sorry to hear the news... My entire family's health has benefitted greatly from your life's work, Mr. Peters and we all Thank You, deeply from the heart, for sharing your wisdom and knowledge with humanity. To perhaps make the world a little better place? To me and many others, I believe it would be a resounding 'Yes!'. So from where I'm standing, have seen you do a divine thing, sir, and we will always praise you and the grace of the divine that dwells within you for bringing relief to so many.

I Guess I'll Hang My Tears Out to Dry - Cannonball Adderely plays for me now... Much Love, Brother !
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Josie29 on February 19, 2020, 04:32:23 AM
Kephra

I'm so sorry for the health downturn and wish you the best.

Thank you again for the time, wisdom, and experience that you've passed on to us forum members. You have been a God-send for myself and my family.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: nix2p on February 19, 2020, 05:58:30 AM
@ Kep,
...Augmentin you say. I'm impressed that you let him keep his "stature",
and conclusions he derived from error must be fact(s)!

Nix
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: mfacen on February 19, 2020, 08:41:28 AM
   This forum has been a treasure to me, my family and friends, I will never forget the day I stumbled upon it looking for info on Colloidal Silver, I didn't sleep that night and my notebook was full of notes by the time I was able to disconnect. I wish there were more forums of this quality around.
    What you have created Kephra is invaluable, the willingness to share your knowledge even knowing that it might undercut your earnings tells a lot about where your priorities lay. Thanks to you I was able to build a machine that produced hundreds of liters of high quality colloidal silver capped, naked, different concentrations, all thanks to the instructions so clearly and empirically explained in the articles.
    I'm working on a new generator that is going to have a regulated output from 5ma to 50ma to use with various setups, I'd like to automate the stirrer and heating I'll probably just hack a magnetic hot plate and incorporate my circuit in it. The circuits I use have WiFi capability so the set up can be done from your phone or computer with the browser. The microcontroller takes a small sample of the current to monitor run time and the amount of silver released, and shuts off the hot plate and stirrer when done. The current is regulated by a constant current circuit as that provides the best response time. I have already written the firmware and tried it out with a bare bones circuit I put together and was able to make a batch of 20 ppm with no issues. So I know is all feasable I just have to find the time to make a proper PCB layout and cnc a board. I'm very busy with my job so I have been working on this idea for a while and it's coming along very slow.
    Kephra if there is anything I can do to help you with the silvertrons don't hesitate to ask I can send you populated pcb's from here I have a place they make them for us I'm in mexico I'd gladly cover the expenses for a run of 30 ( if they fit 6 in a plaque) and mail them to you. I know the money you make from the store is irrisory but still the silvertron is the best commercially available generator.
    Kephra I'm very interested in your life and how you got to know so much about chemistry, would you mind writing a little bio of yourself for the articles ? After all you are our mentor... Of course is just a thought and you don't have to do it if you don't feel like.
   
Title: Re: SilverTrons are no longer available
Post by: ZeroLabs on February 19, 2020, 07:57:18 PM
This January 3rd, I gained 6 inches around my waist in 2 days.  Wife took me to hospital where I was CT scanned and ultrasounded.  Results showed I have non-alcohol fatty liver, ascites, enlarged heart, enlarged pulmonary artery, and diverticulitis.  I was given an Rx for augmentin and sent home.  I couldn't eat much, and in 5 weeks, have lost 30 pounds. But, I have not recovered.  I suspect a misdiagnosis.

So, I no longer have the strength or ability to build SilverTrons.  Accordingly, I am closing the SilverTron store.

To all the people who have been asking me when they would be available again, I doubt they ever will.

I wish you all well and I thank all of my past customers.
I would like to carry that torch if you'll allow me to. Please PM. Let's work something out.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Josie29 on February 20, 2020, 01:28:24 AM
Kephra

I remember reading about this: You can get a second (medical) opinion from a world renowned medical learning institution, either in person (not likely here, 'cause they're in San Francisco) or on-line.

If interested, check this out:   https://www.ucsfhealth.org/second-opinion
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Josie29 on February 20, 2020, 01:33:13 AM
Sorry ... as a follow up, there is a charge for the service ($700 for on-line; payable by credit card, primarily).  The service is not likely to be covered by insurance.

If, after investigation, you want to proceed with the second opinion, I would be willing to contribute financially to help you do so.

I'll stick my neck out and suggest that others in this forum would also be willing to contribute, financially.

What have you got to lose??
Title: Re: SilverTrons are no longer available
Post by: Turbidaceous on February 21, 2020, 06:18:16 PM
This January 3rd, I gained 6 inches around my waist in 2 days.  Wife took me to hospital where I was CT scanned and ultrasounded.  Results showed I have non-alcohol fatty liver, ascites, enlarged heart, enlarged pulmonary artery, and diverticulitis.  I was given an Rx for augmentin and sent home.  I couldn't eat much, and in 5 weeks, have lost 30 pounds. But, I have not recovered.  I suspect a misdiagnosis.

So, I no longer have the strength or ability to build SilverTrons.  Accordingly, I am closing the SilverTron store.

To all the people who have been asking me when they would be available again, I doubt they ever will.

I wish you all well and I thank all of my past customers.

I hope you get over this. Have a look into keto diet. When you go on keto, the body burns excess undesirable fat around your organs before it starts to burn the more external stuff. Keto is a really healthy and good diet, if you can stick to it.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: edwire on February 22, 2020, 12:19:37 AM
Thank you for your time, knowledge and wisdom.

Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Josie29 on February 22, 2020, 05:52:47 PM
Turbidaceous:

It is my understanding that the weight change Kephra is experiencing is water weight due to the removal of lymph nodes decades ago.

Keto would not help.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: dlipter on February 23, 2020, 07:28:40 PM
Kephra,

Sorry to hear of youe health issue.

I have experience in the area of small scale manufacturing of electronic devices.

I am avialable and woild like to offer my services to carry forward the production of your SilverTron.

We could generate an income stream for you and satisfy user demend for the SilverTron.

Hope you are well enough to consider this.

Best,

Dennis
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: rezosim on February 25, 2020, 11:11:19 AM
Hi all,

With COVID 19 worldwide explosion those of use still without the generator need to get our hands on ionic silver generators ASAP! No one knows the scope of the s*itstorm that is about to be unleashed, the conclusion expecially burning after watching the alternative news channels that don't participate in the coverup.

I hope this sentiment will be shared.

Also while it is possible to build a cheap generator by yourself, the convenience of the professionally built unit with all the features including/not limited to automatic shut-off and processor chip calculating the amount of ions already dissolved is unmatched. I came to appreciate the factor differentiating the ST from other generators after reading all the analysis.

The gadget is more than essential for the health and calm of every household, please, keep it live, don't just take it out before all the global cataclysms that we're about to witness. Otherwise, it will be played into the hands of the enemy, whoever it is trying to disrupt the peaceful life every human has a right for.

Peace and health,

R.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: ZeroLabs on February 28, 2020, 04:36:57 PM
I too share your concern. Kephra's last post was Feb 16 to announce discontinuation. I have the skills and the capacity to build and market these if he will let me, with royalties if he wishes, but I have not heard back from him. Frankly, I'm a bit concerned about him. I've found his address and contact information. It's only about a 3 hour drive from where I live. I don't wish to invade his privacy so I will wait a bit longer. Perhaps write his wife a letter to inquire about his condition.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Turbidaceous on March 01, 2020, 01:25:39 AM
I am not sure about that. One of the initial weight losses that happens very very early into keto (first few days) you lose excess water and you pee a LOT for a little while. Very annoying to have to pee often. I have done Keto many times. Sounds like it might be useful in a situation when you have excess water perhaps. Might still be worth a quick bit of research to see.

Turbidaceous:

It is my understanding that the weight change Kephra is experiencing is water weight due to the removal of lymph nodes decades ago.

Keto would not help.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Bobby on March 01, 2020, 04:45:55 AM
Josie29, 

  I’m in. I’ll do whatever I can to help Kephra. He is the Colloidal Silver Master.  I owe that man all I can do for him.  He has saved me thousands in medical expenses and he is just a good man!

Bobby 
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: SilverDog on March 03, 2020, 02:27:35 AM
Hello everyone
I to hate to here about Kephra and will do what I can to help anyway I can. please keep us informed about him. and I would like to to buy another SilverTron as well, I have his First Gen still using it all the time, if I remember right thy are Arduino based I love making projects with Arduino's I'm making an OBDII programmer with one now please let me know how everything goes.

Also does anyone know where to buy some pure silver wire the ones I bought from Kephra is about used up 
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Turbidaceous on March 03, 2020, 05:25:50 AM
Check eBay. I have not bought any but I know it is sold on there on eBay. I only ever bought the flat stuff or bullion. I may buy some wire myself at some point to make a quick and dirty safe extender to get the bullion into the water.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Jughead on March 03, 2020, 08:03:25 AM
I am also looking to purchase a Silvertron if they ever become available so add me to the list if anyone manages to make them for Kephra. 

But most importantly good luck to Kephra and I hope you manage to beat it and spend your time relaxing instead of using it up on here.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: kephra on March 05, 2020, 05:43:49 PM
I am currently working with another forum member to take over building the SilverTron Elites.  Stay tuned :)


Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Bobby on March 07, 2020, 06:09:13 AM
  That is great news Kephra!!   ;D

Bobby
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: rezosim on March 09, 2020, 09:51:08 AM
Very exciting news from Kephra,
Thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: edwire on March 18, 2020, 07:55:29 AM
Great news Kephra!
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: KarrieM864 on March 19, 2020, 08:15:02 PM
So Thankful to see the skill being passed on. I have owned other generators....there’s no comparison. Thank you Kephra for being willing to pass your knowledge. I am a cancer survivor and me and mine are grateful to you.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: flavapor on March 21, 2020, 01:36:23 AM
I hope you are doing well Kephra.  It is nice to see you post even if just a short post.  I am so glad you are passing the torch on the silvertrons.  It is an amazing machine and your contribution to society, although I am sure you have many more contributions that we are unaware of.  Sometimes just trying to understand some of this stuff makes my brain swell.

I have a friend who wanted one of your machines and I saw they were unavailable so I will tell her to check back often.  I am sure the person you chose to make them available again is more than capable.  I look forward to seeing them available again.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Gorsky on March 22, 2020, 10:32:16 PM
Kephra, in case you are not able to hand over your entire process to someone else, would you be willing to consider selling Silvertron Elite kits instead? Many of us know how to use a soldering iron (and how to follow instructions). This might allow you to continue your business with minimal time/effort on your part. And it would fix the backlog of customers waiting to buy (like me).

-Best regards
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: cfnisbet on March 24, 2020, 09:23:11 AM
This is true;

That's the whole point about the SilverTron, it's a masterpiece of engineering. If it were simple to duplicate, it wouldn't be necessary to buy one.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: waboni on March 24, 2020, 06:18:48 PM
Kephra, in case you are not able to hand over your entire process to someone else, would you be willing to consider selling Silvertron Elite kits instead? Many of us know how to use a soldering iron (and how to follow instructions). This might allow you to continue your business with minimal time/effort on your part. And it would fix the backlog of customers waiting to buy (like me).

-Best regards
That would not be possible.  There are many parts for the circuit board that looks alike.  Mixing even one part up would make it fail.  Then what would happen?  The buyer would want me to fix it or refund his money.  Also, how many people have a milling machine to cut out the opening for the touch screen?  Then there are parts that have to be installed in the right orientation, or the board will fail. 

There are just too many possible failure points for someone else to assemble.

Dear Kephra, I don't doubt yours is a masterpiece of engineering and I know the research involved behind its design, in this sense, I'm convinced that there are very capable people interested in put all parts together into a functional device, the idea proposed  by Gorsky is nothing new and it is a very common method for selling most DIY electronic projects that are available out there (some of them with similar or more complex boards). I personally have found this kind of kits very practical off course while some electronic and soldering skills are present.
Regarding the human factor error, in literally all projects I have been interested/involved, it is always buyer responsibility to have the skills to put things together by following a diagram or circuit scheme.

This is a very personal opinion, and I want you to know  that what makes the Silvertron great is the knowledge of the person who were able to materialize  the concepts in a functional design, but I believe  a Silvertron Elite DIY kit, will delight some people and would end in a grateful experience, obviously as mentioned before, with the proper disclaimer.

walt

Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: waboni on March 25, 2020, 01:15:51 PM
Walt:

If I had the physical ability to put together kits and instructions, I would also have the ability to build them, but I do not.  I am old, worn out, and do not have the energy to take that on as a project.  I am working with another forum member who has expressed interest in building the Silvertrons, and he might like the idea of kitting them.  That would be for him to decide.

Dear Kephra, you already did the most important part, bring the best generator alive, and taking the decision to let someone else continue with the production is a plus, we just hope that the person who would keep this legacy, have the ability to heard the CGCS community, and maintain the quality that characterized Silvertron Elite by WGPeters, regardless if it is a DIY kit or a fully assembled device.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: rezosim on March 25, 2020, 06:37:56 PM
Get well soon Kephra,
thank you for your continued care despite the situation!
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Msgdigger on March 27, 2020, 06:39:42 AM
Sad to hear that Kephra.
Im new to the forum but doesnt take long to work out that you are a great guy and a massive contribution on the subject of collouidal silver and gold.
I hope you get to the bottom of whats wrong with you, i sincerely wish you a speedy recovery.
God bless.
Kash
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: squirrel64 on March 29, 2020, 10:09:18 PM
New member here and would also be interested in one if they ever become available again. GOD bless !
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: RedDogJT on March 30, 2020, 01:53:44 AM
Count me in. I'll buy one for sure.  I will start saving my money now that we are in an economic downturn. Any WAG's to the price of these possible units?
Title: Re: SilverTrons are no longer available
Post by: RedDogJT on March 30, 2020, 02:05:29 AM
This January 3rd, I gained 6 inches around my waist in 2 days.  Wife took me to hospital where I was CT scanned and ultrasounded.  Results showed I have non-alcohol fatty liver, ascites, enlarged heart, enlarged pulmonary artery, and diverticulitis.  I was given an Rx for augmentin and sent home.  I couldn't eat much, and in 5 weeks, have lost 30 pounds. But, I have not recovered.  I suspect a misdiagnosis.

So, I no longer have the strength or ability to build SilverTrons.  Accordingly, I am closing the SilverTron store.

To all the people who have been asking me when they would be available again, I doubt they ever will.

I wish you all well and I thank all of my past customers.
First I wish you well and hope you recover, my Mother-in-law had all those same things, which a pacemaker help her deal with most symptoms.  It is the diverticulitis that has me very curious.  Those bulging inflamed pouches form for a reason.  After reading the Journal of Nanobiotechnology article you posted a link to, and seeing the images of what happens with silver in the lining of the colon, I would be very interested to see if your CT scan showed any small light spots (silver) in the infected area??   I recently was diagnosed with Transverse Myelitis (similar to MS) and I could not get enough of the 3 dimension images from the MRI scans to view the lesions on my spinal column.  Doesn't do me a bit of good, but I find that stuff fascinating.

I'll keep you in my prayers.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 12:03:23 AM
God Bless My prayers go out to you and your family, may you have a swift recovery!
Humanity needs you Sir🙏


Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 03:09:37 PM
If when the Silvertrons become available , please let me know if you are interested in a promotional video on my YouTube channel .i have about 4K Subs, my most watched video has 23k views .
I won’t need the silver bars, I have 10 Gauge Silver Rods .

Thanks Ed
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: KarrieM864 on April 21, 2020, 06:57:53 PM
I pray for your health. Thank you so much for what you have poured into this community. I have owned other generators and they don’t come close to yours.

I have three people that are going to purchase one once they are available. I would like to be added to the list to notify once available. Thank you so much for passing the knowledge on to someone else.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Bobby on April 24, 2020, 07:56:22 AM
Etheric Zone 1111,

   Ed, if you don’t mind me asking, what is your YouTube channel?  With the way everything’s going in the world now, I rest better if I have more than one way to contact other folks interested in colloidal silver and all it’s wonders. Carry on sir!

  Bobby

Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: 0level on April 25, 2020, 10:44:36 AM
Kephra,

I'm so Sorry to hear about your health issue, I wish you a speed recovery, and getting well soon!!!

During this pandemic, it's obvious that Colloidal Silver with Hydrogen Peroxide, Iodine & Saline is the way to go to fight Flu viruses!
I did some research about Colloidal Silver generators and honestly your SilverTron Elite packed with features is way more advanced than the others in the market!
I wish you'll start building the SilverTron Elites again, I'll order two pieces.
I look forward to seeing them available again.

Thanks for all your efforts!

 
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: nix2p on May 15, 2020, 03:02:00 PM
@ Kep;

"Young man", you sure know how to put a "spark of light" in the day...

and i'm; without a doubt; your close ones believe it so as well... as for us here

we are happy to hear of much success in your corner.

To your continued success and better health...

Nix
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Neofizz on May 15, 2020, 05:04:41 PM
@Kephra,

This is good news and I'm happy to hear that you're getting some relief. I wish you well with your journey.

It happens that my Mother had diverticulitis and I recently found out now that my brother has it as well. This information may be helpful for him.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Josie29 on May 15, 2020, 05:14:03 PM
Excellent news!
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: cfnisbet on May 15, 2020, 08:03:23 PM
Yes, really great!
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: RedDogJT on May 16, 2020, 01:00:24 AM
Great news Bill!
I cannot help but wonder about that diagnoses though, especially in light of the drugs used to combat this illness.  You have heard that many doctors "off script"
think that U.C. and many other autoimmune disorders are caused by leaky guy syndrome.  When you read the data and symptoms it just seems to make sense.
Proteins that should not be getting into the blood stream are wreaking havoc on various parts of the body that they find weakness.

Western medicine is great for finding and creating expensive drugs to combat the symptoms without ever having to address the actual causal link.  They just like
to say that "we don't know what causes this disease".

One of the least expensive and best remedies you might want to incorporate into your colloidal gold Colloidal Silver regime is to use foods to heal your entire digestive system.

The final piece that I really hate to bring up, is that study I posted a few weeks ago which showed that Silver Nano-particles of a certain size, in vivo with a colon culture,
caused a type of leaky gut as they embedded on the mucosal lining. Right where U.C. seems to originate.  Have you considered that possibility at all?

The Aussies medical system seems to have an MRI test for finding leaky gut, and I'm not sure if we do here too in the US.  Might just take such a test as a way of eliminating
that as a possibility. :-\
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: pawelk on May 17, 2020, 07:58:20 PM
Hey Bill, hope you will get through this tough times... Just FYI... for activated charcoal the most effective trees to fight viruses or poisons are Linden and Birch trees.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Bobby on May 25, 2020, 03:05:06 PM
Kephra,

   That IS some welcome good news!  With all the BS being thrown around the world now days, your up date is just plain exhilarating!  I’ve been needing some good news lately and you have delivered as usual.

   I will start my wife back up on the colloidal gold as I just got in 5 bottles of gold chloride from SLC metals. $$$

Bobby

BTW, are you in any need of anything I can help with?
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Mjcampbell on January 20, 2021, 05:11:22 AM
Kephra,

Glad to hear you are feeling a bit better. Hopefully you continue to get better.

I’m new to this forum but have been using Colloidal Silver for a few years. I have just started down the rabbit hole of making my own Colloidal Silver. This brought me to this forum because the silvertron elite is the best generator. If this is no longer available and may possibly not be available again, what would the second best be??

Mercedes
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Gene on January 20, 2021, 06:16:27 AM
Second best?

Spend about $25 and buy the materials you need to do it - electrolyte, reducer, silver wire or a bullion bar, current limiter (you'll have to build this yourself but the LM317 version is just 2 parts), DVMM, hotplate if you intend to make over 20PPM, power source of some kind that can put out about 20V+ and of course a glass jar to process in (mason jar works well - so do beakers ) and a holder for the electrodes.

Aside from the silver bullion wire or bar (actually not included in the $25), everything else isn't overly expensive.

OK, not as "sexy" as a silvertron and yeah you have to pay a bit more attention but lots of us here do it the old way.  Once you get a couple batches behind you, you'll realize how simple it is.

There are articles on the forum to help you "roll your own" though I don't have the links handy.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Turbidaceous on February 06, 2021, 01:30:34 AM
Was that guy able to make SilverTron units with the components you sent him?
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Yoikyasi on January 11, 2022, 08:17:04 AM
It's been almost a year since this thread was last spoken in...
I hope you are feeling better kephra and I also hope one day the silvertron would either become available or the plans maybe released... I would love to try my soldering hand at it...
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: kephra on January 11, 2022, 01:26:04 PM
There are two problems with the Silvertron.  One is that one of the main part (touch screen) is no longer available, and secondly, I do not have the energy to redesign it.  So I don't see it ever being available again.  I was hoping to continue it for at least another year, as I would have broken even on my costs at that time.  Also, the plastic case has been discontinued by the manufacturer.

As for my health, I am resigned to the fact that I will never fully recover.

Thanks for your concern :)
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Yoikyasi on February 04, 2022, 10:38:48 PM
I'm sorry to hear that kephra.... I understand, as I've read everything you've written recently on the matter, that you aren't interested in passing the baton on this...

I'll accept that... as an electronics hobbyist I just wanted to make one for myself... producing for others that's just a huge undertaking I'm not so sure about...

So can you answer me this? On a conceptual level and not a components or schematic level...What was so amazing about the silvertron? What was its main genius?

Open to silvertron users answers as well...

Is there something about it beyond just limiting a specific current for a specific period of time and having a little screen that's easy to program your cycle? It then just does the run for you and shuts off when it's done?

Or is there something even more complex to the operation of the unit?

I'm trying to find more info about what was so amazing bout the silvertron but since the site no longer exists etc I couldn't find a good thread explaining... redirect me to a thread if there is one and i missed it.

Again thank you so much for this forum and I don't know if u believe in miracles but I will pray for a miracle for you... that sucks to resign to never getting better... my father has been battled diverticulitis for a couple years and it's not fun at all those sorts of problems...
Wishing you well!
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: kephra on February 04, 2022, 11:58:27 PM
I'm sorry to hear that kephra.... I understand, as I've read everything you've written recently on the matter, that you aren't interested in passing the baton on this...
Its not that, its just not fair to someone else to turn over a design that requires unavailable parts.
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I'll accept that... as an electronics hobbyist I just wanted to make one for myself... producing for others that's just a huge undertaking I'm not so sure about...

So can you answer me this? What was so amazing about the silvertron? What was its main genius?

Is there something about it beyond just limiting a specific current for a specific period of time and having a little screen that's easy to program your cycle? It then just does the run for you and shuts off when it's done?
That's not exactly how it worked.  Yes, it has a programmable current limiter, but it didn't rely on having constant current.  If you programmed in 10ma for the current, but the current was only 3ma, it still came out correctly.  The Silvertron Elite performed a calculus operation integrating the current/time curve.   You could also do a run without any electrolyte, set the machine to 15ma, and make ionic silver accurately even though the current started at .5 ma and gradually increased to 6.2 ma as the run proceeded.  In fact you could remove the electrodes for an unlimited time, and put them back into the water, and the run would still be accurate.

But, I made the system so the average person with no electronics or chemistry experience could make excellent Colloidal Silver with a very short learning curve.

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Again thank you so much for this forum and I don't know if u believe in miracles but I will pray for a miracle for you... that sucks to resign to never getting better... my father has been battled diverticulitis for a couple years and it's not fun at all those sorts of problems...
Wishing you well!
I never hid the principles behind the Silvertron.  Its all here on this forum.  I even posted my 'C' source code here for about a week and posted pictures of the circuitry.
I have to resign myself to not getting better.  I can't grow a new set of fingers, or a new large bowel.  Losing parts of my fingers really sucks because I can no longer play music.  I've played music in bands since I was a teenager.  Here is a song I recorded 20 years ago when I was just learning to play the pedal steel. WonderfulWorld (https://www.cgcsforum.org/pix//WonderfulWorld.mp3).  I know, I was a better engineer than a musician but it payed my way through college:)

re: diverticulitis.  My gastroenterologist told me I absolutely had to take Humira, which would cost me several thousand $ a month, and he got really mad when I told him that wasn't going to happen.  Instead, I take 180mg of melatonin a day (about $5.00 a month).  It does the same thing as Humira, but better.  (It blocks TNF-alpha)  Humira is antibodies against TNF-a but eventually I think a persons innate immune system learns to attack the foreign antibodies and then they have to take Humira more often.  That happened to one of my friends. 


Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Yoikyasi on February 05, 2022, 06:07:17 AM
Quote from: kephra link=topic=4813.msg48157#msg48157
Its not that, its just not fair to someone else to turn over a design that requires unavailable parts.

Tell me what is fair in this life? lol! To me that doesn't matter I would just have to find a way to redesign it u know? Missing parts just means greater challenge... I'm into overcoming obstacles it's in my nature.

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That's not exactly how it worked.  Yes, it has a programmable current limiter, but it didn't rely on having constant current.  If you programmed in 10ma for the current, but the current was only 3ma, it still came out correctly.  The Silvertron Elite performed a calculus operation integrating the current/time curve.   You could also do a run without any electrolyte, set the machine to 15ma, and make ionic silver accurately even though the current started at .5 ma and gradually increased to 6.2 ma as the run proceeded.  In fact you could remove the electrodes for an unlimited time, and put them back into the water, and the run would still be accurate.

But, I made the system so the average person with no electronics or chemistry experience could make excellent Colloidal Silver with a very short learning curve.

Wow that is awesome now I wanna make one even more!

So do I have this straight? So if u set it to 10ma and 3ma was the real current, does it basically calculate the difference in time and make the cycle longer? So like whatever fluctuation the silvertron is watching and adjusting the time? Or is it more complicated than that? I never learned calculus but doesn't mean I can't learn calculus... I was a wiz at math in school I just didn't apply myself academically and pursue learning further than trig.

For sure I will be making something that can run my setup without me having to constantly check on it.... I like the idea that the water can boil off and the anode could come out of the water and it would still be on track... it's been a little annoying to me to have to constantly monitor the current and top up exactly on time every time....

Did your machine also reverse polarity so you don't have to clean the electrodes every 20-30min?

Oh man I don't know what I do if I lost fingers I didn't know about that part must have missed that in here somewhere. I'm a guitar player and musician myself... my main reason for being alive... I lost half the function and feeling in my left arm from a major laceration that severed my alnur nerve... it forced me to play different and change my stlye..style... didn't stop me but if I lost some fingers... oh man...

I will have to check out your music here in a bit!

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I'm going to design something on my own whether I have some plans to bounce off or not. I'm just too excited not to make a setup that can at least record and monitor progress in some way... I would likely go for using a raspberry pi as the controller.

So no matter what I'll make something. Thanks for sharing all you do kephra!
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Gene on February 05, 2022, 08:51:57 AM
The silvertron uses a technique that is used in batteries (cell phones, EVs,...) called battery gauging.

It integrates current over time, the target being the milliamp-minutes (or milliamp-hours) needed.

In the case of a battery, say its a 1500mah battery, thats your target when you're charging it.  With lithium batteries, as you charge them, the closer they get to fully charged, the lower the charging current they accept (similar to what Kephra described for the silvertron).  The integration adapts and keeps a running total of the number of electrons that have passed through the cell (or into the battery if you're charging a battery) where you have a target that once you hit it, you shut the charging (or the current source for making Colloidal Silver) down.

In cell phones, EV's and other electronics with captive rechargeable batteries, the battery gauging runs both directions.  As you consume battery power the circuitry keeps track of how many electrons you sent down the drain (wink) where it subtracts what you've used from the full battery capacity. Now when you charge it, it knows exactly how many electrons you have to put back to fully charge the battery.

In the case of Colloidal Silver, your target is the milliamp-minutes that faraday's law tells you is where you need to get to for the PPM you're making in however much water.

You're not charging a battery but counting the electrons is done the exact same way.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: kephra on February 05, 2022, 12:48:14 PM
Quote from: Yoikyasi
Did your machine also reverse polarity so you don't have to clean the electrodes every 20-30min?
As I have explained many times, current reversal is an absolute bad thing to do.  It is unnecessary, and ruins the precision of the system.

Even when I make high ppm runs, I don't bother to clean the anode until the end.  As long as nothing is flaking off, it is unnecessary.
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I'm going to design something on my own whether I have some plans to bounce off or not. I'm just too excited not to make a setup that can at least record and monitor progress in some way... I would likely go for using a raspberry pi as the controller.

So no matter what I'll make something. Thanks for sharing all you do kephra!

A rasberry should work ok.  My first experiments were done using a PLC, and then I built a lot based on the  Arduino Uno which worked fine, but had a lot of extra circuitry and functionality that I didn't need.

Here is how I used the arduino.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Yoikyasi on February 06, 2022, 04:47:52 AM
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Even when I make high ppm runs, I don't bother to clean the anode until the end.  As long as nothing is flaking off, it is unnecessary.

That's good to know... since I got 3 bullion bars tied together for an electrode now, it rarely needs it so much... I thought I was just being lazy waiting till the end of my 320ppm runs to clean it....
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Yoikyasi on February 06, 2022, 04:57:49 AM
The silvertron uses a technique that is used in batteries (cell phones, EVs,...) called battery gauging.

It integrates current over time, the target being the milliamp-minutes (or milliamp-hours) needed.

In the case of a battery, say its a 1500mah battery, thats your target when you're charging it.  With lithium batteries, as you charge them, the closer they get to fully charged, the lower the charging current they accept (similar to what Kephra described for the silvertron).  The integration adapts and keeps a running total of the number of electrons that have passed through the cell (or into the battery if you're charging a battery) where you have a target that once you hit it, you shut the charging (or the current source for making Colloidal Silver) down.

In cell phones, EV's and other electronics with captive rechargeable batteries, the battery gauging runs both directions.  As you consume battery power the circuitry keeps track of how many electrons you sent down the drain (wink) where it subtracts what you've used from the full battery capacity. Now when you charge it, it knows exactly how many electrons you have to put back to fully charge the battery.

In the case of Colloidal Silver, your target is the milliamp-minutes that faraday's law tells you is where you need to get to for the PPM you're making in however much water.

You're not charging a battery but counting the electrons is done the exact same way.

So if this is the case do you know if anyone has simply modified a battery charging circuit to make colloidal silver?

I think I still like the idea of being controlled by software that I could possibly monitor via computer or other screen...
Come to think of it I have a oscilloscope/multimeter that logs data through USB to computer software... that alone could be plenty enough for what I want...
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Gene on February 07, 2022, 06:04:19 AM
If you have a simple current limiter and are doing it the way we do it here, all you need is that, a power supply, a multimeter and your cell/electrode setup and a clock, watch or stopwatch.

You don't need to go high tech to make Colloidal Silver.

The reason Kephra built the silvertron is that normal people who aren't "tinkerers" like most of us on the forum are, would be at odds figuring it out, building their own current limiter (as simple as the LM317 limiter is),...  They want "plug and play" but that comes at a high price.

Battery chargers aren't suitable for making Colloidal Silver because they're high current and designed for the voltage the cell or pack is at.  Battery chargers are a very different animal. I just mentioned them as the battery gauge technique came from that area.

Any time you need to monitor current out or current in with detecting an endpoint which is the total number of electrons that have flowed (milliamp-hours or in the case of a Colloidal Silver cell, milliamp-minutes) and you have a processor at your disposal and the digital controlled current limiter and an analog to digital converter you can read instantaneous current with, battery gauging can be used to great advantage.

You simply integrate current over time and when the total reaches your target, which is what Faraday's law of electrolysis tells you in milliamp-minutes, you're done.

I'm not trying to dissuade you from your quest but you do have to think about some things.

You could be making Colloidal Silver as quickly as you can get the supplies together where you've spent maybe an hour tops building a current limiter.

OR, you could spend lots of time messing with a processor board, programming, designing/building other circuitry (because for sure a Raspberry PI won't have the current sensing/limiting circuitry you need - thats custom hardware design which, if you really want something like the silvertron, you're going to want to make the current limiter setpoint processor controlled), not to mention all the time you're investing (it won't be days - it will be weeks, minimum, if not longer to the point you've gotten it built, programmed, debugged and finally working correctly).  Everything, when you start sweating the details, takes MUCH longer than your initial guess and nothing ever goes nearly as smoothly as you were thinking it would.  NEVER!

I guess it boils down to one of just wanting a neat project to do because if you think about exactly how much Colloidal Silver you're going to make/consume a year, is all the above effort worth it?

Me, if I make a couple gallons of Colloidal Silver a year its a lot.

I can easily build a silvertron rehash but that investment in time, money, materials to make a couple gallons of Colloidal Silver a year a little more easily than how I currently do it is not worth it.  As a one-up? Nope! If I were going to sell it as a product, so long as that unit commands a high enough price and the market is large enough (which I have an issue believing it is as its a very specialty device), perhaps it makes sense. But then, I have no intentions of ever going into the silvertron-esque business so for me its a waste of time.

Just to mention it to give you a heads up.  Your choice.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Yoikyasi on February 07, 2022, 10:59:40 PM
Yeah so I've been on this forum for 2+yrs now and making 20ppm- 320ppm colloidal silver as per instructions here and very well I might add... I make 2-3 Litres a month usually and have a large community of people who source from me and it keeps growing so I want something easier to keep tabs on when making say 320ppm it sure would be helpful to not have to monitor the cathode lead as the water evaporates... sometimes I don't know how long the current hasn't been flowing when I come back to it... so I want a way to be clear and I'm pretty sure my oscilloscope multimeter running into a PC will do the trick...

So for me it's not about being able to make Colloidal Silver... I do that all the time I am just thinking about a more sophisticated setup.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: Pemf silver on March 01, 2022, 01:32:32 AM
I would love to learn how to build the Silvertron Mini
If a schematic was available?
Is it as complex to build as the elite model ?

Thanks Ed
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: FromTheDen on November 25, 2023, 10:18:34 PM
I have a Silvertron Elite v1 for sale, $290. Includes processor, AC/DC power adapter, electrode leads, silver rods, mason jar lid, instructions, & US shipping. Payment by Paypal or Zelle. PM me if interested. Apologies if I'm slow responding--notifications from the forum don't get to me for some reason.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: cfnisbet on November 26, 2023, 01:21:12 PM
Anyone responding to the posting ref a Silvertron being available should make a post on this thread if they make an offer and it's accepted, for the benefit of anyone else who is interested.

For what it's worth, if you've got the money and haven't got a SilverTron, buy it. There's nothing like it on the market and nothing else as efficient, anywhere.

I've got mine...
Title: SilverTron - For Sale
Post by: FromTheDen on December 01, 2023, 01:53:16 PM
As a refresher, here is a description of the SilverTron. Mine is still available. I'm only selling it because it was a backup to others and I decided I did not need the extra redundancy.

The SilverTron Elite is quite simply a revolution in constant current colloidal silver generator technology. It incorporates a host of easy-to-use functions and safety features to ensure that EVERY batch of colloidal silver you produce is safe, consistent, accurate and repeatable. The manual is designed to introduce you to the concept and production of high-quality colloidal silver.

At its heart lies an industry leading computer-controlled microprocessor and a 2 ¾” x 2 1/8” color touchscreen that handles every step of the production process ensuring very little user intervention is needed to produce perfect, high quality Ionic or metallic colloidal silver every time.

All the SilverTron Elite needs from you are the answers to 3 basic questions: Current (1 - 15 mA), PPM (20 - 320), & Water amount (250 ml - 4 L, 1 c - 4 Gal). Once you have completed this setup, the unit will make all the necessary calculations during the run and will automatically terminate when the exact amount of silver has been liberated into your electrolysis cell. The SilverTron Elite is the only silver generator able to offer complete freedom to produce any number of batches at up to 8 different PPM strengths with 100% accuracy every time.

The SilverTron’s color touchscreen provides you with a unique overview of all the important settings and is a joy to use. Presenting a simple but intuitive context sensitive menu that allows you to view, select or modify the most frequently adjusted settings. It also shows progress, current, and voltage during production.

The SilverTron Elite is the first silver generator in the world to put this class leading technology at your fingertips providing unprecedented and industry leading control and convenience over the key features on a “run by run” basis. Even remembering your selections for next time!
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: tlcruisin on December 01, 2023, 02:12:06 PM
hey FromTheDen
i will buy the SilverTron and can transfer $ through Paypal
...will PM you soon
david
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: FromTheDen on December 04, 2023, 03:46:01 PM
Silvertron sold. Thank you tlcruisin!
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: waboni on March 01, 2024, 02:47:53 PM
Quote from: Yoikyasi
Did your machine also reverse polarity so you don't have to clean the electrodes every 20-30min?
As I have explained many times, current reversal is an absolute bad thing to do.  It is unnecessary, and ruins the precision of the system.

Even when I make high ppm runs, I don't bother to clean the anode until the end.  As long as nothing is flaking off, it is unnecessary.
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I'm going to design something on my own whether I have some plans to bounce off or not. I'm just too excited not to make a setup that can at least record and monitor progress in some way... I would likely go for using a raspberry pi as the controller.

So no matter what I'll make something. Thanks for sharing all you do kephra!


A rasberry should work ok.  My first experiments were done using a PLC, and then I built a lot based on the  Arduino Uno which worked fine, but had a lot of extra circuitry and functionality that I didn't need.

Here is how I used the arduino.

Dear Kephra, would you mind to post the code for the arduino? I've been following a FB group of guys from Germany, they are developing a atmega 328p based Colloidal Silver generator, it is open sourced, works fine but its accuracy should be improved, still lacks some features that I think can be implemented if they can analize the code you have created. Would you mind make it open any time you decided not to continue commercial production of the Silvertron?

The information of the project can be found here:
https://www.silbermonster.de/
https://github.com/SilberMonster-de/MiniKSMonster

Best regards.

Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: wgpeters on March 01, 2024, 05:53:51 PM
From the website you linked:
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Note: The set ppm value does not correspond to the actual mg/l silver in the water, e.g. 50ppm set at a pole change of 10 seconds, correspond to about 10 mg/l in cold and 20 mg/l in permanently heated slightly simmering water, provided that Aqua bid was used for production. However, only a suitable laboratory with ICP-MS can detect an accurate measurement.
Which tells me that whoever is in charge doesn't know what they are doing, and should spend more time learning than designing electronics. 

I am certainly not going to be involved in a poorly thought out project.
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: waboni on March 02, 2024, 01:54:04 AM
From the website you linked:
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Note: The set ppm value does not correspond to the actual mg/l silver in the water, e.g. 50ppm set at a pole change of 10 seconds, correspond to about 10 mg/l in cold and 20 mg/l in permanently heated slightly simmering water, provided that Aqua bid was used for production. However, only a suitable laboratory with ICP-MS can detect an accurate measurement.
Which tells me that whoever is in charge doesn't know what they are doing, and should spend more time learning than designing electronics. 

I am certainly not going to be involved in a poorly thought out project.

Thank you very much for your two cents Kephra
Title: Re: Silvertron - still available?
Post by: waboni on March 02, 2024, 02:21:05 AM
That been said, anyone thinking about selling a SilverTron Elite, please contact me by PM. I'll take it!  ;D