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Production Techniques and Chemistry => SilverTron Notes And Support Questions => Topic started by: Cher Sherwood on March 12, 2018, 03:26:18 AM

Title: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on March 12, 2018, 03:26:18 AM
I am ready to place my order to buy a SilverTron Elite V3. I feel I have read the first four pinned articles enough times that I now understand what I should be buying. So other than The SilverTron Elite V3, I need to buy a heating stirrer, a mason jar, reducing agent, a scale, steam distilled water and a ppm tester. Is this everything I need? I have been researching for so long that I think it's time to just buy the equipment and start. I want to follow everything Kephra suggests to the T.

Am I forgetting any pieces of equipment? Do you see the benefit of buying a steam distiller as well? Does the SilverTron Elite V3 come with something to hold the silver in the proper place, like a lid?

I'm excited to get started and I feel confident doing "V) Electrolysis Combined with a Reducing Agent" is the best method.

Any advice for this newbie is appreciated. Especially when it comes to buying the beginning equipment.
Thanks,
Cher
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Art on March 12, 2018, 04:28:21 AM
Cher,

Your shopping list seems pretty complete. You said a parts per million tester as part of your list, did you mean a Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) meter? If so, that would be optional as it is only used to make sure that your distilled water that you start with is zero or very close to it. The TDS meter can not measure the PPM of the colloidal silver....at least not accurately and with the Elite, you already know what your PPM will be since you use the soft touch screen to adjust the PPM and batch size to whatever you want. A distiller is only needed if you plan to make your own distilled water and that would likely depend on where you are. In the states, a gallon of distilled water can be had for less than a dollar, but other parts of the world may be significantly more, making a distiller more practical. Also, if you plan to make mostly 320 ppm colloidal silver, you will use only minimal amounts of distilled water compared to 20 ppm colloidal silver. The magnetic stirrer/hot plate is a must for making high PPM silver nanoparticles and or running at high milliamp settings.

For myself, I opted for a basic beaker set from Amazon. I think it was between $20 and $30 if I remember correctly. I like it because the openings make it easier to clean than a mason jar. I use the one liter and 500 ml beaker to make 20 ppm Colloidal Silver and I use the 250 ml beaker to make 320 ppm Colloidal Silver which is what I use the most. The borosilate glass can also take more extreme temperature changes than the mason jars without cracking. I did crack one mason jar when I poured Colloidal Silver in it that was too hot.  I did buy various size mason jars, but I use them for storage only.

Yes, the V.3 Elite comes with an electrode holder that is predilled for proper electrode spacing and doubles as a lid .

One thing I always recommend is to upgrade to a one ounce silver bar over a silver wire or rod. The bar, because of its relatively large surface area is more efficient than the wires and in conjunction with your hot plate/magnetic stirrer will allow you to run your batches as high as 15 ma which will equate to shorter run times and a very good quality finished product. The silver bar also lasts a very long time compared to the wires.

I did not see Arm and Hammer Washing Soda on your list. You will need a box of that to make your electrolyte solution and a bottle of Karo light syrup to make your reducer. Lastly, if you plan to make high parts per million Colloidal Silver such as 320 ppm, you will also need Knox Gelatin in the small packets to use as a capping agent.

If you have other questions, just post them and they will get answered.

Art
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: kephra on March 12, 2018, 12:20:36 PM
Cher,

I think most people buy the SH-2 hotplate/stirrer found on Amazon. It is sold under various trade names. 
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on March 12, 2018, 04:52:53 PM
Thank you so much Art for taking the time to reply with all that info! Thank you Kephra as well! I really appreciate it!

Yes, thank you for the reminder about the washing soda. I do have unflavoured gelatine in my cupboard. I also have corn syrup in my cupboard. Would that work? Or does it need to be Karo syrup? That isn't a brand sold in Canada that I have seen. I do see it on Amazon though. Do you think the name brand really matters?

I do like the idea of upgrading to a one ounce silver bar. I will investigate that because now I am wondering if you use 2 silver bars to replace both silver rods or just one. I am wondering where to source that out and approximately how much that costs. I am in Canada.

Thank you for the heads up about the beakers on Amazon too. I found them. I had forgotten that I had read that mason jars can break from the heat.

I was actually mistaken about the PPM meter vs the TDS meter. I would have bought the wrong thing! I am leery of the quality of steam distilled water as it is the foundation of the product. I plan on using it to test the distilled water I can buy in the store (and judge from there if I need to look into buying my own steam distiller). I hope the quality will be fine. I live in a small town so I'm crossing my fingers. Does the SilverTron Elite have any way to measure if your water is poor quality? I know some generators just won't start if the water quality is poor.

Thank you so much for your replies. I have everything in my carts on Amazon and the SilverTron store. I just need to look into the silver bars and decide about the TDS meter.

I do have one more question about ppm. If you mainly make 320 ppm colloidal silver, do you dilute that to drink? Do you chose that ppm because you dilute it and it stretches it out further or is there a specific purpose for each different ppm batch?

Thank you so much!
Cher



Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: kephra on March 12, 2018, 05:58:55 PM
... I also have corn syrup in my cupboard. Would that work? Or does it need to be Karo syrup? That isn't a brand sold in Canada that I have seen.
A different brand will probably work fine.  Golden syrup is also an option.
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I do like the idea of upgrading to a one ounce silver bar. I will investigate that because now I am wondering if you use 2 silver bars to replace both silver rods or just one. I am wondering where to source that out and approximately how much that costs. I am in Canada.  Almost any coin dealer should have silver bullion bars.  You would need to attach a pure silver lead wire to it.  With the ones I sell, I weld the lead wire to the bar.
You only want one silver bar for the anode.  Using a silver bar for both electrodes is actually detrimental.
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 Does the SilverTron Elite have any way to measure if your water is poor quality? I know some generators just won't start if the water quality is poor.
The SilverTrons do not have the ability to measure water quality.  To do so would require very accurately made electrodes.
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... I do have one more question about ppm. If you mainly make 320 ppm colloidal silver, do you dilute that to drink? Do you chose that ppm because you dilute it and it stretches it out further or is there a specific purpose for each different ppm batch?

Thank you so much!
Cher
For internal use, the 320 ppm should be diluted.  1 tablespoon to 8 ounces of water.  For external use, you can use it full strength.
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Art on March 12, 2018, 06:07:16 PM
Cher,

I have only used the Knox gelatin and know that it works flawlessly so I have not looked any further, plus the big box of packets I bought from Walmart is going to last me for years.......probably well past the expiration date on the box.

Same thing with the Karo syrup.......I just mix it with 50% vodka so it won't grow mold......works very well so I haven't looked any further. If you have Golden Syrup in Canada, I believe others have mentioned using it as well. In any case, someone will have an answer for you.

As far as the silver bar, they do have them at the SilverTron Store for a reasonable price with a silver lead wire attached that will be the right diameter to fit your Elite electrode holder and it can be shipped with your Elite unit if you add it to your order. I think Bill, used to offer an upgrade option when ordering one of his generators. It comes with a silver wire, but for a bit more money you could upgrade the wire to a silver bar.......a worthwhile upgrade imo if he still offers that option. It would be a waste to use a silver bar or wire for your cathode electrode (negative/black lead). For the cathode you can just use a piece of number 14 copper wire that costs about a few cents. Use the silver bar for your anode (red/positive lead). It will last a long time.

I am not familiar with the quality of distilled water in Canada, so the TDS meter may be helpful initially to find out which manufacturer consistently has good water. Here in the states, it seems that most manufacturers deliver good distilled water.

Regarding 320 ppm silver nanoparticles, yes, I always dilute it. One tablespoon (US) dilutes to make one cup of 20 ppm. You can dilute it in almost any kind of water, tea, coffee, sports drink etc. That is why making 320 ppm can save so much on distilled water. Also it is much easier to take 320 ppm with you when traveling or ship to someone else because a small amount can be diluted to a large amount. I generally make a 250 ml beaker of 20 ppm at a time and it can be diluted to make approximately one gallon of 20 ppm.  Some people like to make 40 or 50 ppm for topical use, but I generally will just dilute 320 ppm to whatever I happen to need at the time. The exception for me is if I am going to use the Colloidal Silver in a ultrasonic humidifier to inhale, then I use plain uncapped 20 to 30 ppm.

Art

Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: kephra on March 12, 2018, 06:38:10 PM
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I think Bill, used to offer an upgrade option when ordering one of his generators. It comes with a silver wire, but for a bit more money you could upgrade the wire to a silver bar..
I took that option out of the store because the software wasn't smart enough to subtract the bullion bar from inventory.
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on March 12, 2018, 08:10:34 PM
wow Art, thank again for taking the time to explain all that. I really appreciate it!

Kephra- is there any chance on upgrading to a silver bar with my order?
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: kephra on March 12, 2018, 08:16:30 PM
Sure, just add it to your cart. 
https://zencart.silvertronstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=4
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on March 12, 2018, 08:26:46 PM
Awesome! Thank you! I added it and am just at the check out. There is a Redemption Code option. Is there a Redemption Code I could use?
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on March 12, 2018, 09:41:46 PM
Got it! And I'm all ordered up! I am so excited and I'm sure you've heard this lots, very anxious and a bit nervous lol

Thanks for your help  :D
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Dean on March 13, 2018, 06:41:39 AM
wow Art, thank again for taking the time to explain all that. I really appreciate it!

Kephra- is there any chance on upgrading to a silver bar with my order?

Cher,

There’s plenty more help like this. I guarantee you’ll never be stuck for an answer for very long.
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Art on March 13, 2018, 07:39:32 AM
Cher,

I forgot one thing that you might need, an electrode holder to fit your one liter beaker, but that is okay because you won't need that until you have your one liter beaker in hand and then you will have to measure your beaker exactly. Kephra makes custom electrode holders to fit most  beakers, but you have to have the exact size of your beaker so he can make the holder/lid to fit exactly. Good luck!

Art
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: MomRosie on March 13, 2018, 01:28:59 PM
Good morning! I was ready to buy last night and I now see you're sold out. How long until the Elite can be purchased?  :)
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on March 13, 2018, 02:22:56 PM
Thanks Dean!

Art, thank you. I did buy his beaker cover. Rats. I guess I should have waited to measure my beaker size when it gets here. Oh well. I will deal with it then and possibly buy a different size from him. Hopefully it fits!
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: kephra on March 13, 2018, 03:14:59 PM
Good morning! I was ready to buy last night and I now see you're sold out. How long until the Elite can be purchased?  :)
Tomorrow 3/14 or check later this afternoon..   I have several in process.
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: MomRosie on March 14, 2018, 12:07:52 AM
Is there a redemption code? I'm at checkout
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: cfnisbet on March 15, 2018, 11:03:48 AM
There will be no regrets for anyone who buys a SilverTron.

If anyone wants their money back, send it to me and I'll give you the money and postage.



This is an easy thing to promise, as I won't need to have to do this very often!
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Dean on March 15, 2018, 01:11:44 PM
Kephra,

I have any enquiry / interest that has popped up on the facebook page.
the guy is in Austria. Is a sale an option for you here?
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Neofizz on March 15, 2018, 03:41:29 PM
I'm in Canada and have used the Golden Syrup as a reducer which works fine but comes in a small jar and is expensive. I now use the Crown Lily White corn syrup for making my 320 ppm colloidal silver. It has glucose and fructose in it and works fine for me. I don't dilute it and just put a big drop of it in at the beginning of the run (or a couple big drops when doing a full liter run).
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: kephra on March 15, 2018, 05:56:30 PM
Kephra,

I have any enquiry / interest that has popped up on the facebook page.
the guy is in Austria. Is a sale an option for you here?
I am only willing to ship directly to the US, AU, CA, UK, and IE.

Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Dean on March 15, 2018, 08:00:18 PM
Kephra,

I have any enquiry / interest that has popped up on the facebook page.
the guy is in Austria. Is a sale an option for you here?
I am only willing to ship directly to the US, AU, CA, UK, and IE.

Ok I’ll see where it goes. I’ve directed the guy here and also the store but I will message him back to let him know that delivery would need a different solution.

Have you had a moment to check the reducing pages for the manual ?

Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: kephra on March 15, 2018, 08:17:02 PM
Yes, there is a correction, I'll email you.
Your contact in Austria would need to go through a VPN through UK, US, CA, or AU to reach the store.
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on March 16, 2018, 02:49:52 PM
I'm in Canada and have used the Golden Syrup as a reducer which works fine but comes in a small jar and is expensive. I now use the Crown Lily White corn syrup for making my 320 ppm colloidal silver. It has glucose and fructose in it and works fine for me. I don't dilute it and just put a big drop of it in at the beginning of the run (or a couple big drops when doing a full liter run).

Neofizz, this is great! I have Lily White Corn Syrup in my cupboard! My first batch will be a full liter. Could you be more specific for amount? Do you use a dropper (big drop = full dropper?) or do you just squeeze the bottle and cross your fingers it's not too much? How would you know you used too much and why not dilute it? Thanks!
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: cfnisbet on March 16, 2018, 05:13:20 PM
The amount is not critical.

Buy yourself a coffee at Starbucks and help yourself to a wooden stirrer from the sugar and milk display.

Insert the tip into the Golden Syrup or corn syrup to a depth of about half an inch, move to the Colloidal Silver container and allow a drop to fall into the water. An excess will not matter.
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Neofizz on March 17, 2018, 12:24:14 AM
I don't dilute the Lily White corn syrup as diluting it leaves it able to grow mold. Others have used vodka to dilute it to prevent that from happening. The reducer (corn syrup) is added in excess as well. Experiments (and at least one post by Kephra) show that adding excess reducer (10 times too much) does not effect the colloidal silver in any detrimental way. If there isn't enough reducer it will not fully reduce and leave a metallic flavour. When fully reduced there is no flavour at all. When making 20 ppm very little is needed (a couple drops from a dropper) but I'm almost exclusively making 320 ppm so more reducer is needed (16 times more). So I would use a couple big blob drops straight out of the bottle when making the 320 ppm batch. If you're making 20 ppm just do what cfnisbet suggests. Even the last half inch of a toothpick will hold enough to do a liter of 20 ppm.
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on March 23, 2018, 02:15:15 AM
Excellent! Thank you for explaining that so well. I keep checking my tracking and I see my generator has cleared customs today! YAY! I'm so excited!
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Art on March 23, 2018, 03:24:54 AM
Cher,

Unless things have changed, Kephra includes two empty clear glass dropper bottles with the SilverTron. These are for the Karo reducer and for the electrolyte to help make perfect batches every time! I still have the original pair from my first SilverTron and they still work fine!

Art
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on March 24, 2018, 07:41:24 PM
Thanks Art, I did have a question about the copper wire you mentioned. Do you know what gage will work for the lid for the generator?
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: cfnisbet on March 24, 2018, 08:14:12 PM
Any thickness copper wire will work.

I found a couple of metres of household wiring flat cable in a skip and stripped the earth wire out of it. The wire is about 2mm thick, but I have used much thinner wires as a cathode before. The thicker wire is just easier to bend and doesn't flop around in a harsh vortex when the stirrer is in use.

Submerge only a few millimetres of cathode in the distilled water. Bending it allows you to move the electrodes apart without drilling new holes in your lid.
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: kephra on March 24, 2018, 08:44:35 PM
Cher, The holes are drilled for 12 gauge wire.  (2mm)
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Art on March 24, 2018, 11:11:25 PM
Thanks Art, I did have a question about the copper wire you mentioned. Do you know what gage will work for the lid for the generator?

Yes, 14 gauge wire is fine.
Art
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on April 03, 2018, 01:18:16 AM
Thank you so much! I just got home from a week away visiting family and my generator is here! I'm so excited! Will have to re-read the beginning steps to make sure I am doing everything right before I start. I can't wait to get started!

I am going to go out right now and grab some copper wire. A plain over-the-counter copper wire spool should be good to just unroll and use right? Or are some of them coated and need treated?
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: kephra on April 03, 2018, 01:59:07 AM
Why don't you want to use the silver one supplied with your kit?
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Dean on April 03, 2018, 02:39:37 PM
Cher,

I would definitely think about just using the supplied 12 gauge silver wire. At least until you are comfortable with everything and you’ve got a few good batches under your belt.

You have zero risk of accidentally connecting up your cathode and anode wires the wrong. Way way round.
You have a super pure cell with only silver in the water.

By all means experiment. That’s what it’s all about but just as a start point.....
It may be less to think about.

Just an idea
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Cher Sherwood on April 03, 2018, 10:52:04 PM
OH! I thought I needed to get copper wire, I didn't realize I could use one of the silver wires lol I haven't completely opened my package up to see what is in the yellow envelope. My husband is leaving tomorrow for 3 weeks for work, so I will be able to focus on it once he's gone, starting with reading all the files again from the beginning :)
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Art on April 04, 2018, 12:02:48 AM
I didn't mean to confuse you, Cher, that is just what I use, a #14 piece of copper wire because I had it laying around and it would only have cost pennies had I actually bought. Actually you can use other metals also, not just silver and copper.

Art
Title: Re: Ready to Buy SilverTron Elite V3 Help appreciated
Post by: Neofizz on April 05, 2018, 09:24:44 PM
Cher,
The copper wire is a lot cheaper than the silver wire. That is the reason everyone uses a copper wire. The silver wire is good in the beginning to avoid the problems of a possible polarity mix up (I did this once) when you hook it all up. If you are using a copper wire and happen to accidentally reverse the polarity, then you would be putting copper into the water instead of silver. Something you don't want.