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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2021, 04:52:50 PM »
You mean 5-60 milliamps, not PPM, right?

Yes, thank you, Gene, (post must have been visited by a 'screwup ferry' again).

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https://www.cgcsforum.org/index.php?topic=2546.msg21231#msg21231

That wouldn't be the link for the PeterXXL post you were talking about, would it?

Yes, that's the one.
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 I checked today on Youtube and Mark Brusher's post, on how to make it, (colloidal silver),

yup, is still there:

#386 Ionic & Colloidal Silver, Definitive Guide To Making

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xur-oP3bmbc 

Nix
Hey, Thanks for the video plug!  ;)

Is there still a question?

Also, I sent Kephra a private email last month but never got a reply. Hope he's not angry with me.

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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2021, 08:07:35 PM »
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Also, I sent Kephra a private email last month but never got a reply. Hope he's not angry with me.
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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2021, 07:28:15 PM »
I did. To the address we had been using. Maybe you don't use that address anymore? Or maybe I've been branded a spammer? IDK. I'll PM you here instead.

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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2021, 11:02:46 PM »

yup, is still there:

#386 Ionic & Colloidal Silver, Definitive Guide To Making

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xur-oP3bmbc 

Nix
Hey, Thanks for the video plug!  ;)

Is there still a question?

Also, I sent Kephra a private email last month but never got a reply. Hope he's not angry with me.


Mark, your deed is amazing, (your channel; videos on YouTube, rock), also, thanks goes

to Kephra, and much, much gratitude to folks like yourselves, and others,  who make

our life easier...

Thank you again, keep plugging away.

Nix


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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2021, 04:20:39 AM »
I've been wondering....

Why do we need to make a 50/50 reducer with Karo and Distilled Water or Karo and Vodka?

Why can't we just add drops of 100% Karo?

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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2021, 11:12:11 AM »
I've been wondering....

Why do we need to make a 50/50 reducer with Karo and Distilled Water or Karo and Vodka?

Why can't we just add drops of 100% Karo?
You can. It's just easier to measure drops if they're more watery. I personally use maltodextrin dissolved in water, but the "traditional" reducer always recommended here is Karo (Golden Syrup in the UK or Europe).

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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2021, 12:09:17 AM »
Interesting article, somewhere is mentioned:  "silver, glucose instead of galactose or mannose"!

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150121084532.htm

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To carry out the study, the team has analysed how different carbohydrates act on the surface of silver nanoparticles (Ag-NP) of around 50 nanometres, which have been introduced into cultures of liver cells and tumour cells from the nervous system of mice. The results reveal that, for example, the toxic effects of the Ag-NP are much greater if they are covered with glucose instead of galactose or mannose.


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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2023, 01:53:19 PM »
I made some 320 using this method only instead I swapped Karo with 2tsp of malto. Still has metallic taste after being diluted. Going to stick with the 40 drops of Karo/dw. I just wanted to share.

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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2023, 09:06:28 PM »
KARO has always work perfectly for me , but I only make 20PPM .
« Last Edit: June 24, 2023, 07:00:51 PM by Pemf silver »

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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2023, 09:39:07 PM »
https://www.cgcsforum.org/index.php?topic=47.msg47233#msg47233

More reducer is OK, less is usually not (wink).  More gelatine is OK too.

Making higher PPM requires HEAT (140-150F) and adding the reducer and the gelatine if you're gelcapping at the BEGINNING of the run.

Processing cold (making 20PPM), the solubility limit of silver oxide in water (what you're making before it gets reduced) is only about 21-22PPM at room temp (NOTE: room temp is 75F and no lower) which is why you can't make greater than 20PPM cold.

Reducers reduce at "calendar" speed at room temp which is why you have to heat your 20PPM cold processed run if thats what you're doing to 140F-ish - to get the reducer to quickly reduce the IS you produced.

The high temp for higher PPM's guarantees the reducer reduces the produced silver oxide that dissolves in the water faster than its produced so you never coast over the wire. I might interject here that my observation is, though the above is true, there seems to be a 10-15 minute lag between production and reduction for higher PPM's owing to the perceived color change which I admit is a rather crude metric but its ballpark anyway (I've seen this both using Karo and Maltodextrin) but if your operating point isn't producing close to 40PPM IS over this quarter hour or so, you're good (wink). At 150F, the solubility limit of silver oxide in water is about 40PPM so not only does processing at the higher temp activate the reducer to reduce the produced IS quickly, it gives you some breathing room to guarantee you never coast over the wire.

If production of IS ever exceeds reduction for higher temp, higher PPM runs, to where you have over 40PPM of IS in solution, the excess WILL, just like for coasting over 21-22PPM with processing cold, precipitate out, NEVER reduce and eventually (which could be a long time given the tiny particle size) settle as a grey dust at the bottom of the container. Not good.

The above is just the current wisdom gleaned from this site. As things change or we learn more or better ways to do things I'll make sure Colin (cfnisbet, our admin) keeps the above post up to date.

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Re: How much (diluted) corn syrup reducer?
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2023, 10:47:31 PM »
Thanks Gene!