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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by Gene on February 29, 2024, 06:50:36 PM »
Regarding the amount of maltodextrin used, this is inline with the formula on this forum which assumes a worst case - all longest chain malto molecules so since malto is mixed bag unless you buy a single DE equivalency (you can but probably from a chemical supply house and you're going to pay a LOT for it) you absolutely have more than enough reducing groups to reduce what you made.

Also, I'd suggest you process at 150F.  Thats what I and some other members do who've chimed in over the years.

At 150F, the solubility limit of silver oxide in water (what you're making before reduction) is about 40PPM. You always want reduction to outpace production of IS or you will have silver oxide precipitating out of solution or perhaps not ever going into solution where it won't reduce and that would be bad.

Another suggestion to try and get a handle on whats going on.  Try making at say 5ma instead of 8ma.  That'll produce slower but it will also give the produced silver oxide (that greyish black stuff on the anode that leaches into the water and dissolves) more time to do that as well as giving your reducer more time to reduce.

Regarding reducer, the formula is the best we can do given the variable nature of normally obtainable maltodextrin. Less is ill-advised but you can absolutely add more.

You didn't say what shape your anode is.  Wire? Bullion bar?

And what about your electrode spacing and what voltage are you adjusting your cell to have before you start production. Rule of thumb is for 1.5" electrode spacing, 10V minimum across the cell.

I routinely make 80PPM non-gelcapped Colloidal Silver with malto and it always comes out crystal clear. I also routinely make 120PPM or 160PPM gel-capped (whatever I have time for since at 7ma where I run, 160PPM takes about 5-3/4 hours) and I always get crystal clear results.  I'm just using the malto formula and using that amount and have never had an issue.

The only issue with malto is that it can impart a slight taste to the Colloidal Silver which some people don't like but you can always mix it with a little powdered drink mix or a little juice or even add a little honey to offset the taste if its undesireable to you.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by kephra on February 29, 2024, 01:56:46 PM »
Yes I was saying so, it is strange reaction
I was following the requirements though....
Maybe Kephra and other members can share their opinions on what may be causing this ?

Thanks!
I believe your problem lies with your maltodextrin.  Where did you get the 1.7 gram amount from?

Since making lower ppms produced clear solutions, but 120ppm did not, then the prime suspect is the maltodextrin which is both the reducing agent and the stabilizer.

Maltodextrin is not a standardized product, and consists of chains of glucose molecules of between 3 and 17 glucose molecules, its stabilizing power depends on how long the chain is.  So maltodextrin has different stabilizing ability depending on how it was made.

I suggest trying a batch with double the amount of maltodextrin.  If that does not solve the problem, then I suggest using cinnamon extract instead.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by CatWoman on February 28, 2024, 11:26:07 PM »
Yes I was saying so, it is strange reaction
I was following the requirements though....
Maybe Kephra and other members can share their opinions on what may be causing this ?

Thanks! 🙏
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by cfnisbet on February 28, 2024, 06:40:39 PM »
The opacity is not good. I would go back to Karo if it makes clear yellow Colloidal Silver with your setup. Strangely, my setup gives the opposite; Maltodextrin gives clear results but Golden Syrup (UK version similar to Karo) makes cloudy Colloidal Silver.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Collargol
« Last post by Heino_R on February 28, 2024, 02:00:02 PM »
This is what the amount of 23 milligrams looks like dissolved in 1L of tap water.
Thanks to the protective colloid, it remains stable in tap water and even in isotonic solution with 0.9% saline.
A protective colloid is necessary for high concentrations, but is also beneficial at low concentrations.
Our body contains electrolytes. Unprotected colloidal silver will coagulate when used internally or externally.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Collargol
« Last post by Heino_R on February 28, 2024, 10:33:58 AM »
Yes, in a pinch you can take a very small amount with the tip of a knife and add it to a liter of water and stir and wait until it is dissolved.

Here is a example of the colors of different concentrations.

https://www.cgcsforum.org/index.php?topic=3713.0


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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: David Avocado Wolfes Coated silver
« Last post by User_72 on February 28, 2024, 08:53:09 AM »
Totally understand.

So should I just put all of it in 1L right away, or is there an ability to ration as much is needed and estimate the ppm by the color of the dilution?
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: David Avocado Wolfes Coated silver
« Last post by Heino_R on February 27, 2024, 08:19:32 PM »
@ User_72
You are new to this forum, apart from me, the only one who has purchased this product and wants to use it.
I just want to make sure you understand that you have purchased the most concentrated pure form of Colloidal Silver.
Normally you would need a scale with a milligram resolution if you don't immediately dilute it in 1 liter of distilled water.
The resulting 20,000 PPM is not handled in this forum either, since the Colloidal Silver is produced here electrochemically in smaller concentrations (max. 350 ppm with gelatin capping).
So you have to have a plan on how to dilute it sensibly.

And once again very clear: High concentrations more than 20 PPM are only intended for external applications. Ointments, nose drops, eye drops, etc.

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Colloidal Silver Production / Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by CatWoman on February 27, 2024, 07:30:06 PM »
Hello!
After experimenting making my Colloidal Silver at different PPMs 20, 40, 60 and 80, this weekend I tried to make my 120 PPM so I used the following :

To 1000 ml of distilled water I added from the beginning :
- Maltodextrin as a reducer : 1.7 grams
- Electrolyte solution : 1 ml
Magnetic Stirring & Heating at 60°C

- Current at 8 mA
- Processing Time : 3h 45 min

I didn't add Geltain to the solution as this is intented for external use.
What is suprising is that each time I try to create the 120 PPM solution during the last hour the solution started showing an opaque color as you see on the pictures, is this a normal color you think ?
 
With Karo we don't have this opacity, is Malto is what is causing it ?

Thank you for your inputs!
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: David Avocado Wolfes Coated silver
« Last post by User_72 on February 27, 2024, 06:43:43 PM »
I intended on giving one vial to a friend and keeping one for myself.

I was unaware that 20 ppm was the max that should be taken internally, I also wasn’t sure of any other limit either, I wouldn’t feel comfortable going above 40 ppm internally anyway. I’m sure I can find other posts on this forum to see what people have pushed comfortably.

My use case is predominantly topical and possibly for a humidifier. I do wonder if enemas are possible though? With animal protein as a capping agent, doubt that makes sense to administer directly to blood.

I know this is effectively a lifetime supply, and honestly, for $168 a vial, I can’t be bothered to think about this anymore. I just want a reliable product and the documentation puts to rest any doubt that I had with all other sources. I said I would make my own for years now, but just always hit roadblocks. It’s nice to have access to this degree of convenience.
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