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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2016, 12:01:21 PM »
Disregard the examples.  I was totally screwed up that day.
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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2016, 05:12:34 PM »
Its ok Bobby.  I always find that the Christmas season is the most stressful time of the year. 
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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2016, 11:59:09 AM »
Trying to get order into my information tables. Found 4-5 drops diluted Karo or glucose as reference point for 1 cup (238 ml) of 320 ppm colloidal silver. That is the 5 in the below table under 250 ml/320 ppm. The other dosages are all proportionally derived from that starting dosage. Is that the correct way to do it, or is there excess here?

        drops of 50% diluted glucose   
        ppm         ppm          ppm
ml        20         160          320
250        0.3         2.5           5
500        0.6          5          10
750        1.2        7.5          15
1000        2.5        10          20

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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2016, 12:45:33 PM »
Sorry that should be:

      drops of 50% diluted glucose   
           ppm            ppm            ppm
ml            20            160            320
250           0.3            2.5             5
500           0.6             5            10
750           0.9            7.5           15
1000          1.3           10           20

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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2016, 01:10:27 PM »
Your table math looks ok.

Why bother to make the intermediate ppms though?  Why not make a smaller batch of 320, then dilute it to 160 if thats the strength you want.  You will save distilled water, and the time to make 1 liter of 160 is the same as to make 1/2 liter of 320?

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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2016, 02:06:15 PM »
I haven't "dared" to make 320 yet, only gone to 160, to see if the result is good, and it was. But you're right, instead of 750 ml 160, it ill be 375 ml of 320 next time.

My only question is how to measure out fractions of drops of the diluted glucose?
« Last Edit: January 03, 2016, 02:20:50 PM by peri1224 »

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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2016, 05:03:07 PM »
@peri:
I don't think there's any harm in adding a couple of extra drops of corn syrup. I do it all the time. What's the worse thing that can happen? Maybe you notice a slight sweetness in your final product, I doubt it.
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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2016, 05:05:03 PM »
Drewcifer is entirely correct.  A little extra does not have any ill effects on the silver.  There is no need to worry about fractional drops.
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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2016, 12:59:08 AM »
Kephra,

  Thanks for the  really clear instructions. I am starting a batch of 320 gelatin capped colloidal silver. Writing this while the Knox heats up. Will post pics & results when it's done.

  Had to go for a 500 ml batch. Did 250 ml yesterday. It looked good after cooled & diluted. But had trouble tracking the temp. Got 2 new lab thermometers in today,  so I'm all set. The SilverTron Elite will keep me on track.

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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2016, 08:53:21 AM »
     Ok Folks, Here is how it all came out.         

                                               320 PPM Karo Reduced, Gelatin Capped Colloidal Silver

 
             * 1 gram Knox gelatin sprinkled on top of 500ml beaker filled with cold DW. Let sit 5 minutes then
                turned on mag stirrer w/heat.

     While waiting for solution to heat to 60 Celsius & clear up, the following was added:

              * 15 Drops 1 Molar Baked Baking Soda Electrolyte was added

              * 12 Drops 50/50 Karo/DW Reducer was added
 
     After 60 C was reached. Electrolysis was started with the ST Elite set at 10ma & 12V & 360 ppm:

              * Suspended at 1 hour in to Fire Clean Anode & Cathode

              * Suspended at 2 hours in to Fire Clean Anode & Cathode
             
              * Suspended at 3 hours in to Fire Clean Anode & Cathode

     The ST Elite finished at about 4 hours. Pulled anode & cathode out. Left on stirrer to cool down.

                                                                         NEXT

     On the 250 ml batch:

              * The gelatin, electrolyte & reducer was exactly the same as the 500ml batch with the exception
                 of taking less time & it ended up boiling twice.
         
              * I didn't have the lab partial immersion thermometer. Which is cheap insurance & really a must have.

              * The anode was quite a bit darker each of the 2 times that it was fire cleaned. I guess to
                 much electrolyte.
 
              * There seems to be no effects on the final solution. They are both very close in color & clearness.

        Any & all comments, suggestions, questions & corrections are welcome. If the pic don't show up I will
        try again.

          Bobby 
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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2016, 01:26:15 PM »
Thats too much electrolyte.  Always use 20 drops per liter, or 19 drops per quart of water, regardless of the ppm you are trying to achieve.  Electrolyte is not used up in the process.
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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2016, 03:36:29 PM »
Have here a picture of 2 times 20 ppm colloidal silver. The one on the right is glucose reduced, left 160 ppm gelatine capped and diluted to 20 ppm. Would you say that the difference in color is about right for the two kinds?

If the gelatine capped colloidal silver has a slight bitter taste, is that an indication of anything?

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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2016, 04:03:27 PM »
Thats what I would expect for the color.  Did you dilute with distilled water, or just drinkable water?
A slight bitter taste could indicate incomplete reduction.
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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2016, 04:45:58 PM »
Mine with regular drinking water, the wife's with DW, and she said she tasted something slightly bitter. I didn't taste anything.

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Re: Tips for capping with gelatin
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2016, 04:48:41 PM »
But if the color is about right, then the reduction can't be too far away from complete?