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cwgoodrich

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turning Colloidal to early
« on: January 12, 2019, 05:42:29 PM »
Just so you know, I love this place. My problem is, when I first started making Colloidal Silver,with an elite,
My liquid was clear. Now it’s changing color even before I
Add the mark. What am I doing wrong.

cwgoodrich

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2019, 01:54:16 PM »
Same protocol. It’s turning dark in the generating stage.

cwgoodrich

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2019, 06:13:04 PM »
I’ll super clean everything, and report back.

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2019, 10:09:05 PM »
Could you also advise us what temperature you use while the production run is going?

cwgoodrich

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2019, 05:31:29 PM »
Using heated magnetic stirrer, 145F-150f.

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2019, 09:50:32 PM »
Using heated magnetic stirrer, 145F-150f.
Then the answer is almost certainly that the Ionic Silver Oxide is being reduced by heat.

cwgoodrich

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2019, 09:56:19 PM »
Where should I be on heat?

Etheric Zone 1111

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2019, 12:24:34 AM »
Same thing happened to me .

Turned brownish color

cwgoodrich

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2019, 02:44:02 AM »
What a huge difference. I cleaned my beaker, magnetic stirrer, and thermometer. Set my elite on 80ppm, reduced heat to 100f, and before reducing, it looked like 5ppm, instead of 80ppm. Then I reduced; turned out great. I’ll do more cleaning. I guessing the problem was cross-catamitation. I also noticed my voltage increased. I used silver bullion set at 10 Ma. Before cleaning, I was reading about 5 volts. After cleaning, it jumped to a little over 10.

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2019, 08:36:57 AM »
Where should I be on heat?
The heat is correct. You need to use heat to get better results; the only point I was making is that the reason for the colour change is that heat is reducing the Ionic Silver Oxide to Colloidal Silver. There is nothing wrong with the temperature, as you have found out.

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 01:32:45 PM »
What a huge difference. I cleaned my beaker, magnetic stirrer, and thermometer. Set my elite on 80ppm, reduced heat to 100f, and before reducing, it looked like 5ppm, instead of 80ppm. Then I reduced; turned out great. I’ll do more cleaning. I guessing the problem was cross-catamitation. I also noticed my voltage increased. I used silver bullion set at 10 Ma. Before cleaning, I was reading about 5 volts. After cleaning, it jumped to a little over 10.

This process confuses me a bit: I thought there were only two ways to do this: (1) generate 20 ppm Ionic Silver Oxide in cold conditions, and then fast reduce using heat and reduction agent, or (2) Generate Ionic Silver Oxide with heat, but adding reducing agent from the start. With the process you describe, it seems you will have absolutely no idea about concentration, particle size and by-products? Also, how do you know it "looked like" 5 ppm before reducing? Interesting to see, though that cleaning is a big issue. I have stored Ionic Silver Oxide in a very well cleaned gin bottle, but it reduced overnight. Nice smell and taste though.

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2019, 07:35:08 PM »
No, for 20 ppm there are more ways.
Electrolyze at room temperature (70F), then  add reducing agent and wait (may take an hour to complete)
Electrolyze at room temperature then add reducing agent and heat
Electrolyze at room temperature with reducing agent from start
Electrolyze hot then add reducing agent.
Electrolyze hot with reducing agent .
This is possible because the ionic silver does not exceed its solubility.

For higher ppms though, the choices are more limited.
Reduction must be faster than generation so solubility is not exceeded.

Yes, of course you are right that all these options are viable, but from a quality (mainly particle size) point of view I had understood the following to be true: (1) Faster reduction is generally better to keep agglomeration lower, (2) Most reduction agents work faster in their optimum temperature range. So, what would be the benefit, for instance, of electrodissolution in heated conditions (other than increasing the saturation threshold a little bit), and then reducing with an agent to speed up the process? It just seems you would lose control of the parameters?

Etheric Zone 1111

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2019, 07:42:58 PM »
I tried again today with new distilled water , and obtained better results .


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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2019, 07:44:50 PM »
Another pic

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Re: turning Colloidal to early
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2019, 08:34:00 PM »
Thank you Sir!
And too all that helped !

I’m still getting the Silvertron! Tax season is here ;).