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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Karo Corn Syrup Chemical Analysis
« Last post by Gene on Yesterday at 10:11:28 PM »
Glucose (mg):   PPM * <liters> * 0.8335

That was the last formula I saw talked about on the forum.

Glucose (dextrose in food use - it has 2 names, same sugar) is a VERY powerful reducer which is why you don't need much.

Some here have had success with it. Myself? I always get a cloudy result no matter what I do and hence I've abandoned using it in favor of Karo for all things other than higher PPM non-gelcapped where I use maltodextrin.

If you have a home beer/winemaking supply shop somewhere near you, give them a call. I bet they have both dextrose powder and maltodextrin powder.  I live in the US but thats where I got mine from and it was inexpensive - around $3/pound (454g) for either. OK, that was maybe 5 years ago (a pound is a damn near lifetime supply unless you're making swimming pools full of the stuff - wink) but it couldn't have gone up THAT much over the years.

The supply shop I got mine from know the stuff as dextrose (probably because thats the common name for food use).  I mentioned glucose and they didn't have a clue other than the glucose syrup they sold (which isn't suitable for Colloidal Silver making - from what I've gleaned, its makup varies).

Malto is used in beer brewing to impart a creamy mouthfeel to the beer so they'd definitely have it.  I'm not sure what the use for dextrose is but given they sell it, its for sure used in either beer brewing or winemaking.

Just one warning. IF you choose to use maltodextrin, your resulting Colloidal Silver will have a slightly (but perceptible) darker yellow color to it at 20PPM (tending towards almost a ruby color at high concentrations up around 80PPM or more).  Reason being, the malto chains (where each only has one reducing group which can only reduce one molecule of silver oxide - ionic silver) are longer and as such you need a lot more of it to get the number of reducing groups necessary to properly reduce the PPM you're making. As such, more "stuff" in solution changes light refraction and maybe other similar characteristics and it pushes the color to a deeper one.

If you're worried after making a batch of higher PPM, dilute a little down to 20PPM and have a gander. If its a little darker (or if you prefer a slightly deeper yellow color) than what you normally get with other reducers, you're good (wink).
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Karo Corn Syrup Chemical Analysis
« Last post by kephra on Yesterday at 10:04:15 PM »
I believe it will work ok.
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Actually, I get the feeling that the quest for finding the local syrup leads nowhere.
All reducing sugars and non-sugar agents will serve.
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I never had good luck with pure glucose.  It always lead to a lot of turbidity for me. It has the least stabilizing power.  Better to use maltodextrin which is a better stabilizer, or mix glucose and maltodextrin together.  Syrups are always a combination of at least two sugars which is what keeps them from crystallizing (The molecules have different shapes keeping them from fitting together into a cyrstal).  Our British members use Golden syrup I believe. 

If you want to try pure glucose, I suggest mixing 10 grams in 100 ml of 50/50 mix of water and vodka.  Then use it like corn syrup.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained :) 
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Karo Corn Syrup Chemical Analysis
« Last post by aquataur on Yesterday at 09:33:39 PM »
I believe it will work ok.
Actually, I get the feeling that the quest for finding the local syrup leads nowhere.
All reducing sugars and non-sugar agents will serve.

The only problem that may arise is if using too little due to a lower DE value.

That said, I found a source for pure dextrose (powdered). To prevent making a refreshing beverage, how would I calculate a suitable amount? There is much less product variation in a pure product than in all sorts of syrups (which apprear all a mix of at least two sugar types to prevent crystallization), let alone maltodextrin. Dextrose powder is practically DE-100.

If I had no other reference then I would just scale down with increasing DE number. Such as using 1/2 with DE=100 compared to a corn syrup which will be in the DE-40 range.

But then the syrup contains water vs. dry matter - aargh. I admit that all the Moles and atomic weights are a bit over my head.

I appreciate your opinion.


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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: The metallic taste
« Last post by aquataur on Yesterday at 09:21:18 PM »
You can't convince everyone, some people just have no understanding.

I learned this the hard way during the past three years. Telling from myself, I thought somebody would recognize a fact if it was smashing them right in the face.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: The metallic taste
« Last post by kephra on Yesterday at 08:33:56 PM »
Metallic has no taste.  What does a silver spoon taste like?  What does a stainless steel spoon taste like?  What does a coin taste like?

Then what does salt taste like, or baking soda, or vinegar.... all ionic substance have a distinctive taste, likewise ionic silver.  This is because they are chemically reactive and react with the chemicals in the taste buds.

You can't convince everyone, some people just have no understanding. 
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Colloidal Silver Production / The metallic taste
« Last post by aquataur on Yesterday at 06:26:21 PM »
I have tried to explain somebody, that they cannot make Colloidal Silver, let alone Gold with empty DW, and I was told, that I probably don't understand the mechanism ::)

The dreaded metallic taste has been referenced here a thousand times. How can you explain that to somebody?
Everybody knows bitter OK.

Where does the bitterness and the taste we associate with metallic come from? I know that touching brass leaves a similar smell on the fingers, and all remind me of garlic, so I suspect sulfur compounds being created in contact with the mouth's tissues.

This would be a striking argument.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Karo Corn Syrup Chemical Analysis
« Last post by aquataur on Yesterday at 05:23:50 PM »
Ah, I´ll have an eye on this.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Karo Corn Syrup Chemical Analysis
« Last post by kephra on Yesterday at 01:29:16 PM »
... the wonderful search facility on this forum...
Maybe in a file that has been hidden?

Sometimes, when I am  logged in, and when I search for something, I may read a post containing a link. Sometimes those links seem to take you from "outside" back into the forum, and I am asked to log in again (although I am already logged in).

Those links then lead nowhere. I wondered if the forum has been restructured at some time. Or  the files have been hidden on purpose, containing erroneous, or misleading information.
Some of those links might point to cgcsforum.com.  That was the original forum when I owned it.  When cfnisbet took over the forum, the name was changed to cgcsforum.org.  That would explain why you were asked to log in again, because you were not logged in to cgcsforum.com.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Karo Corn Syrup Chemical Analysis
« Last post by kephra on April 16, 2024, 09:47:40 PM »
Karo is not available in Austria/ Germany.
I am looking for an alternative.
It appears that Rice Syrup has a similar composition: glucose and maltose and oligosaccharides
description
Would this make it a useful candidate?
I believe it will work ok.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Karo Corn Syrup Chemical Analysis
« Last post by aquataur on April 16, 2024, 09:37:58 PM »
Karo is not available in Austria/ Germany.
I am looking for an alternative.
It appears that Rice Syrup has a similar composition: glucose and maltose and oligosaccharides
description
Would this make it a useful candidate?
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