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Colloidal Gold Production / Re: Urgent request: idiot proof guide
« Last post by Milemanager on March 17, 2024, 09:24:17 PM »
I am a bit of a new guy here, I have read lots of the articles and processes to making colloidal gold and Colloidal Silver.  Right now I am focusing on the colloidal gold to help with my knee pain due to arthritis/inflammation.

I have made several batches of the colloidal gold using the simple chemical method.  I have been taking it for now two weeks and saw a marked improvement on only day 3.  Now I sleep through the night, no more pain medications.  It's great!

I have been taking 8oz daily in a single dose just before bed of the 40ppm colloidal gold.  Is this too much? I am thinking of reducing my intake, to see what works, just looking for someone that already experimented with doses and have a suggested effective dose that works for a 230 lbs guy like me.  Many sources online say a tablespoon.  Not sure if this would do anything.  Thanks.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: David Avocado Wolfes Coated silver
« Last post by Heino_R on March 15, 2024, 09:38:33 AM »
Yes, also my inexpensive scale only starts at around 10 milligrams. A small piece of paper is enough to move the scale beyond this point. As Kephra already said, you then have to add the small amount to be weighed without tare it.

However, it still makes sense to prepare a small amount of highly concentrated stock solution (e.g. 20,000 ppm).
You can weigh out 270 mg and then dilute it to 10 g with distilled water.
In this way you get 10 g  (10 ml) of 20000 ppm stock solution. This stock solution can then be diluted relatively easily to 20 ppm. To do this, add 1g of this 20.000 ppm stock solution to 1 liter of water.
It is best to use a small pharmacy bottle with a pipette for this stock solution.
Count the drops you need to get 1g (maybe 20 drops).
If you only need a 250 ml cup, simply add 5 drops and you have a cup 20 ppm.

BTW:
The volume of the solid substance is not suitable for the production of a reasonable solution! It is not just powder, but  frequent also small flakes.

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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: David Avocado Wolfes Coated silver
« Last post by kephra on March 14, 2024, 07:57:39 PM »
Quote from: User_72 on March 14, 2024, 05:40:10 PM
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The scales in the $10 price range do not give a consistent readout. Curious if I can just get a tiny spoon lol.
Some of these cheap scales have an auto zero adjust feature.  If you start with the scale reading zero, then add just a few milligrams, the scale thinks it should be zero, so resets it to zero.  Try adding a 5 gram weight but don't tare it.  Add your chemical to the scale with the weight on it, and it will not auto zero.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: David Avocado Wolfes Coated silver
« Last post by User_72 on March 14, 2024, 05:40:10 PM »
Hey gang,

To make decisions less ambiguous for future readers, this is the product that was received from the German pharmacy:


https://shop.fagron.de/wirkstoffe-2/silber-kolloidal-zum-%C3%A4u%C3%9Ferl-gebrauch-109900--0001

I believe the silver "content" (Gerhal in german) is at 72.98%, the docs on that website say so and so do the two bottles I have received.

For 20 ppm that's 27 mg, for 40 ppm that's 55 mg (rounded figures).

I mean I don't even see a need to get a lab analysis done, as it seems that Fagron (distributor) does that on Laboratorios Argenol's (supplier's) behalf.

That pharmacy got it to Los Angeles in like 2 days and customs held it for roughly 9 days.

The one weight correction factory (Einwaagekorrektturfaktor in German) is 1.042. I am assuming that I need to do some calculation to be able to accurately measure using measuring spoons? The scales in the $10 price range do not give a consistent readout. Curious if I can just get a tiny spoon lol. I am aware that for a measuring spoon you would need to know the volume of the product, but I do not see the volume listed in the documentation.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by Gene on March 06, 2024, 01:50:38 AM »
The equation to compute the minimum required cell voltage based on electrode spacing is:

   4.33 * spacing (inches) + 3.5

So at 6.5cm (2.56 inches) your MINIMUM cell voltage should be 14.6V. Don't go below this.

If the cell is running properly, you should see a DECREASE in cell voltage as the run continues as you accumulate silver in the cell. What I notice on a run to make 80PPM non-gelcapped is that I see about a 1 volt drop over the course of the run from start to finish. So, I just get the cell voltage to about 12V to start with and I'm still above 10V when the run completes so I don't have to adjust anything during the run.

If your cell voltage starts going up and you haven't touched anything (no raising or lowering the cathode, no changing the current, nothing) it means that either you're getting evaporation which is reducing the depth the cathode is submerged, which would increase the resistance of the cell and hence increase the voltage across the cell for the fixed current you're using but 35V seems seriously excessive, or your cell current started to rise unexpectedly (which is bad because that would mean you now have no clue what PPM you've made when the run is done - it'll be higher than what you wanted but you won't know by how much).

I'm curious why you thought you should see a voltage rise. As I said, accumulating silver in the cell LOWERS the resistance and for a given, fixed current, if the resistance goes down, the cell voltage must drop also.

Maybe there's another explanation but right now with the data we've been provided, I'm not seeing it.

Karo is a great reducer (I use it to make 160PPM gel-capped because the gelatine is a great stabilizer and its easy to use karo). Its just not good enough to stabilize Colloidal Silver above about a 20PPM concentration but to reduce it, oh yeah its fine.

And when I make 160PPM (which at 7ma for me takes the better part of 6 hours to complete the run), I do NOT have to fire clean the anode even once. I get no buildup and yeah, the gelatine is in there from the beginning of the run.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Help with my LM317 limiter?
« Last post by kephra on March 06, 2024, 12:24:59 AM »
Quote from: waboni on March 05, 2024, 08:27:31 PM
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Hi, is this the way Silvertrons also cumpute the time/current curve?
No.  My coding is much simpler and just as accurate.
Silvertrons run multiple threads simultaneously.
    Read touch screen keys and update display
    Coulumb counter monitoring silver dispensed in ma milliseconds
    Ammeter with dampening and display
    Voltmeter with dampening and display
    Progress meter display
    Time remaining display
Interrupts are not required.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by CatWoman on March 05, 2024, 09:41:37 PM »
thank you all for your inputs!

I tried to make a test with Karo by pushing it to 100 PPM and I got the same result. Knowing that Karo is not a good stabiliser, I am making my initial conclusion that Malto is failing me, so I will double the quantity as suggested by Kephra

@Gene, I am keeping temp at 60-70°C this made my rods pretty clean during all the process, I didn't even have a reason to clean them.
Distance between silver Rods is 6.5 cm (about 2 inches)

My DPS S5005 is running pretty well, but I am still not sure why the voltage at one point starts to rise up progressively to 35v (after 2 hours), i was expecting an increase but not by so much. So now I am playing with the height of the Cathode (-) to keep the voltage at a max of 13/14 volts.

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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Help with my LM317 limiter?
« Last post by waboni on March 05, 2024, 08:27:31 PM »
Quote from: Gene on November 28, 2023, 11:14:04 PM
How I'd consider doing the firmware for the AVR on the Arduino is as follows.

Set up a hardware timer to trigger an interrupt routine every 10ms (100 samples/sec).

Have that interrupt routine maintain a 32bit integer ("long int") accumulator where for each interrupt, it reads a 10 bit value from the ADC and then simply adds it to the accumulator.

At 1 second (100 samples), the interrupt routine would transfer the accumulated value to a second variable that you would have access to, to compute the ma-minutes it represents where you'd then add this ma-min value to your own separate ma-min total variable you'd use in your main program. The interrupt routine would then clear its "accumulator" variable so it starts from 0 again with the next sample.

This takes the work of computing the ma-min out of the critical path for the interrupt routine which is necessary given the short 10ms interval between samples.

You can now convert the value to floating point and maintain your total ma-min variable in floating point. Yes floating point on an AVR since its 8 bits and doesn't have a floating point engine in it is slow but the computations to convert the accumulated ADC readings for a seconds time is simple enough it can easily be completed in well less than a second (probably NOT as quickly as 10ms though).  Floating point on the AVR's uses library routines and its done in firmware (a.k.a. slow).

A second as a comparison interval is plenty accurate enough for shutting down the cell.  For most reasonable current values, even a minute would be but since the AVR is fast enough to do it on a second by second basis, why not go for the higher accuracy?

The computation to convert the ADC reading to ma-min is simple.

You take the value thats accumulated over 1 second. Convert it to floating point (a normal 32 bit "float" here would be accurate enough). Divide it by 100. Divide it by 60 to get to minutes. Divide it by the constant you've computed that represents 1ma as an ADC value. You now have ma-min. Yeah, thats all there is to it. Obviously, you'd do 1 divide thats you'd pre-compute as a constant (100*60*1ma ADC value). I just stated it in steps so it was obvious what needs to be done.  Then you add this computed ma-min for 1 second value to your running total ma-min variable

You may or may not have to "calibrate" the ADC readings. ADC's, like everything else in this world aren't perfect and are always a little "off" nominal.

Hi, is this the way Silvertrons also cumpute the time/current curve?
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Gelatin substitute -- sodium caseinate
« Last post by Heino_R on March 05, 2024, 06:15:53 PM »
Since Micosolle and most of the other ingredients (except maltodextrin) are also found in the company's iodine supplement (Iodoral), I assume that they are anti-caking agents and fillers. One of the excipient information states:  "silicon dioxide (Micosolle®)". Elsewhere it says: "Micosolle® is a silica-based excipient containing a nonionic surfactant, microcrystalline cellulose, vegetable stearins and pharmaceutical glaze."
I think that the actual protective colloid of gold nanoparticles is not mentioned at all.

Currently you would have to pay over 70 cents for 10 mg of gold. I think today a 10 mg tablet of colloidal gold should cost $2.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Help with my LM317 limiter?
« Last post by nix2p on March 05, 2024, 05:01:39 AM »
All I'm saying that brands I purchased, (who knows the origin were made, and I don't mean to "hijack" this thread by posting - sorry about this, it just concerns the DIY'ers, etc), and I still have to hunt for threads to learn how to test these chips with my equipment - that is all.
Thanks for reading
Nix
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