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Production Techniques and Chemistry => Colloidal Silver Production => Topic started by: cfnisbet on March 23, 2020, 01:05:48 PM

Title: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 23, 2020, 01:05:48 PM
For some time now, we have seen people struggling to put together the appropriate kit to make colloidal silver.

I thought it was time to go through the non-SilverTron process for those who wish to have a kit with which to make their own colloidal silver but who don't know what to buy or where to buy it from.

I will be going through the entire process, with links to where the items can be purchased. We have no arrangements or sponsorship with any suppliers, we are completely independent.

P.S. If they become available again, a SilverTron is a much better option, but it costs a lot more.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 23, 2020, 01:19:25 PM
The Power Supply Unit;

This is the sort of laboratory bench Power Supply Unit you need. The one in the photo is a 30 Volt 5 Amp DC power supply. It must have a Constant-Current circuit in the specifications, and 30V with 3A output is about the minimum.

I am not going to give schematics or tell people how to convert a plug-in wall transformer, as I want anyone to be able to buy the stuff that I recommend straight off the shelf and use it.

The disadvantage of this unit is that the Constant Current circuitry is not very accurate in the measurement of very small currents, but it does hold that small current accurately. What I mean is that one of my bench PSU holds a current of 5 milliamps accurately at 7 milliamps; the stated current (5mA) is not the same as the output current (which is 7mA), but it does hold 7mA reasonably closely throughout the run. It is therefore adequate for our purpose.

The units are reasonably cheap and can be bought from eBay or Amazon very easily.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 24, 2020, 07:41:55 AM
This is the sort of thing;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FY4J9PY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FY4J9PY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

or

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ReaseJoy-Laboratory-Regulated-Adjustable-Precision/dp/B06X9DD4HJ/ref=sr_1_31?dchild=1&keywords=DC+constant+current+power+supply&qid=1585642963&s=diy&sr=1-31 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/ReaseJoy-Laboratory-Regulated-Adjustable-Precision/dp/B06X9DD4HJ/ref=sr_1_31?dchild=1&keywords=DC+constant+current+power+supply&qid=1585642963&s=diy&sr=1-31)

or

https://cpc.farnell.com/tenma/72-10480/power-supply-1ch-30v-3a-adjustable/dp/IN06822 (https://cpc.farnell.com/tenma/72-10480/power-supply-1ch-30v-3a-adjustable/dp/IN06822)

as discovered by member Turbidaceous.

If you enter the search term as "DC power supply regulated constant current" then loads of similar offerings will come up. It is acceptable for the PSU display to have 3 digits (this will allow you to use a minimum current of 10mA), but it is better to check that the display is 4 digits with a minimum current of 0.001 A (1mA) in the specifications.

Don't use one with reversing polarity, because we are going to use a copper/brass rod for the cathode, and reversing polarity will put unwanted contaminants into the water.

When the colloidal silver is being brewed, you should see the constant-current circuit hold the amperage within a certain range. At the currents we are using, the machinery cannot hold the current rock-steady; you will have to settle for a reasonable approximation of steady-stage current; that was what the SilverTron did so very well, amongst other things.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 24, 2020, 07:51:40 AM
Then you will need a hotplate and beaker like the ones shown. If you are just beginning, I would suggest that you buy a 1 litre cafetiere (or more than one) from your local supermarket. These are very cheap and are available in sizes from 250 ml up to 1 litre. When you gain experience or if you want to make larger amounts at once, then the 3-litre Pyrex beaker shown is a good choice. Remember that the beaker, although it may be Pyrex glass, will still crack if you heat it empty and then pour cold water into it. Fill it with distilled water before you switch it on, and don't leave it unattended at any time.

The hotplate is a cheap single hotplate of the sort suggested for student accommodation (!) at about 20 GBP or thereabouts.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 24, 2020, 07:56:08 AM
The next item is a digital ammeter as shown. eBay or Amazon will give you plenty of choice, but you will need an Ammeter with a scale for 0-20 mA and 0-200 mA DC and 0-20 volts DC. This is because the built-in meters in the PSU do not give adequate accuracy at very low amperages of the sort we are going to use.

It will also enable you to accurately measure the voltage if you need to.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 24, 2020, 09:47:07 AM
Now for the electrode array.

You will need a few 1" copper nails (steel will do), a strip of 6 plastic electrical junctions, a brass rod for the cathode (thick copper or alloy wire will do), a small crocodile clip of sufficient strength to hold onto your chosen anode, and a piece of polythene mesh or sheet (I used a plastic gutter cover, but you could use a plastic cutting board or sheet of perspex).

The first few photos are attached; click to expand a photo in order to magnify it.

In the UK, all the items are available from B&Q or other retail builders' merchants. I would imagine that the USA has the same things (only half the price!)
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 26, 2020, 03:39:21 PM
A few more photos of the electrode array so you can see how it is put together.

A copper nail is pushed up (from the bottom) through the plastic frame/holder (drill the holder or use a heated nail) at each end of the junction block. Screw the end junction block screws to hold the junction block tightly against the plastic holder.

Insert a copper nail down through the junction block and secure by tightening the junction block screws. Solder or crimp the anode holder (crocodile clip) to the nail. Ensure that there is enough nail exposed above the holder to attach the anode wire with a crocodile clip.

Open the junction block screws at the other end (about 1 1/2" away from the anode clip) and insert a brass rod or fairly thick copper wire through the junction block and tighten one junction block screw gently to hold it. This is your cathode, and it needs to be able to be loosened in order to slide the cathode up and down to put more or less cathode into the distilled water.

This is your electrode array; it's fairly easy to make, but you can use any equivalent system.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 26, 2020, 03:52:33 PM
Then you will need a small blowtorch, or you can use a gas burner ring or any other source of a reducing flame (blue flame).

The photo is of the one that I use, but any equivalent is fine.

When you have finished the reaction, fire-clean your anode before you put it away, using the blowtorch or a gas flame on your cooker. HOLDING THE ANODE WITH A PAIR OF PLIERS hold it in the flame until the black oxide layer turns white (the oxide turns back into silver crystals). Allow it to cool in a safe place. Don't think you can hold the anode in your fingers; silver is the most conductive metal on earth and the heat will reach your fingers faster than you can imagine.

Don't overdo it, or your anode will melt.

WARNING! Warning Will Robinson! (Joke for the older readers).

Almost every serious fire in a home or industrial workplace has been caused by unattended burning equipment. Every time I have asked for a quotation for professional indemnity insurance, the first question the insurance company asks is: "Do you use any burning equipment in your sites for business purposes?" It frightens them silly.

If in doubt, write to HM The Queen and ask her about that question. It was the cause of the huge fire at Windsor Castle. Given the value and irreplaceable nature of the historical artefacts lost in that fire, I find it madness that a night watchman was not hired to sit in the main hall at Windsor every night that the builders were in the Castle.

Do not leave your blowtorch unattended at any time, until the flame is out, and the body of the torch has cooled off.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 26, 2020, 04:07:21 PM
THE ANODE

You will see in this post and the next, a selection of silver anodes. With the exception of the 1Toz bullion bars, they are all .999 fine silver bought from Cookson Gold or Argex. (1toz or 1Toz = 1 Troy Ounce).

The blue colour on the largest bars is a protective plastic film to keep the silver from discolouration (Argex is a supplier to manufacturing jewellers) and of course, the plastic film is removed before use as an anode.

You do not need .9999 fine silver; some bullion authorities consider that .999 tests the same as .9999 under hallmarking analysis, so save your money. The bullion bars (or coins) can be used as received; there is no protective coating on silver bullion.

You can see my face and phone camera reflected in the silver sheet; silver is the most reflective element on earth.

When adjusting an anode in colloidal silver production, the principle is that you maximize the anode, minimize the cathode. The total surface area of the anode should be at least three times larger than the cathode (especially if you don't have a stirrer). A large anode  produces fewer silver ions per unit of anode area, which results in less fallout of silver oxide.  A small cathode keeps the voltage up and therefore the electric field strength is higher, which helps propel the silver ions out of the diffusion layer at the anode and also helps prevent the silver from precipitating out of solution as silver oxide.

You adjust cell voltage by raising or lowering the cathode in the water. Aim for a minimum of 10 volts across your electrodes for a 1.5 inch electrode spacing.  Different spacings have different minimum voltages.

Also, you don't need a silver cathode (negative electrode)  A piece of copper wire or brass rod will work just as well.  No metal comes off the negative electrode.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 27, 2020, 05:51:19 PM
This one shows some more anode pictures.

The really small anode is 70mm x 3mm and was bought with a commercial colloidal silver generator from a colloidal silver sales site. The anodes were also offered for sale as a pair (separately) at 16 GBP which is an utter rip-off, and is the reason why you should always buy silver from a bullion dealer instead.

The wire is 1.5mm fine silver wire, which can be used provided you utilise very low currents. I personally prefer to use a large silver bar, as I can then use higher currents and make 3 litres at a time at a reasonable speed.

The yellow rod is a brass cathode to act as the negative electrode in the cell. The silver anodes accompanying it are pieces of silver that I had spare, and had them rolled out into small sheets.

I bought the colloidal silver generator because it was small and powered by a 9 volt battery, so I thought it was a good buy (in the dim and distant past) for travel use. I now make some 320ppm colloidal silver and take it in my hold baggage.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 27, 2020, 05:57:53 PM
Now we need the reagents:

You will need an electrolyte, a reducing agent and a capping agent.

ELECTROLYTE

This is one of the three biggest secrets on this entire forum, and we are going to give you the secrets for nothing.

When people began to make colloidal silver, they used to run the electrolysis cell until the cut-off point of the machine was reached. The machines were expensive and the cut-off point gave no indication as to the exact amount of silver ions in the water. The end result was I.S.O. (Ionic Silver Oxide), a powerful anti-bacterial, but it was not, and is not, colloidal silver. People used it because it worked, not because they understood the process.

In an attempt to speed the process up, they started to use common table salt as an electrolyte. How wrong they were, and yet how close to the right answer! Using Table Salt (Sodium Chloride) as the electrolyte made silver chloride, not Ionic Silver Oxide, and this was what gave Paul Karason (and others) Argyria, the darkening of the skin to a bluish or greyish colour. It also gave Big Pharma the perfect gift to destroy the reputation of colloidal silver as a superb anti-bacterial, and they did not hesitate to use it against the sellers of Ionic Silver Oxide. WE DO NOT USE SODIUM CHLORIDE TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER.

The correct electrolyte, which (i) allows you to speed up the process, (ii) allows you to calculate the amount of silver in solution, and (iii) to not make unwanted (Argyria-causing) silver salts, is SODIUM CARBONATE; Washing Soda. As the reaction proceeds, the electrolyte is catalytic; there is the same amount of it at the end of the reaction as at the beginning. Sodium Carbonate is either bought as Arm & Hammer Washing Soda (in the USA) or as Washing Soda from any big supermarket (in the UK).

If you can't buy it easily, you can order it from a chemical supply house, or you can make your own by heating Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) in the oven at moderate heat. You eat washing soda whenever you consume a piece of cake. It is harmless in the amounts we are going to use.

To make the electrolyte, we use 1 Molar Sodium Carbonate, made by dissolving 12.4 grams of sodium carbonate monohydrate (Arm & Hammer or UK supermarket) in enough water to make 100ml solution (in other words, you put the washing soda in a beaker and add enough water to fill the beaker up to the 100ml mark). 

OR

If you have made your own by baking sodium bicarbonate in the oven, dissolve 10.6 grams sodium carbonate (anhydrous) in enough water to make 100ml solution.

This is your stock electrolyte solution. The amount you use will be 1 ml of the stock electrolyte solution per litre of distilled water.




[Historical note: I must clarify this slightly on the grounds of full and honest transmission of information; as mentioned in a different thread, an old-time and esteemed contributor to the forum has pointed out that Sodium Hydroxide will work as well as Sodium Carbonate, in fact it was the original electrolyte selected by Kephra for the manufacture of colloidal silver.

 However, it is highly caustic and also has a further risk associated with it; if you get a "burn" from caustic soda/lye/sodium hydroxide (alternative names for the same thing) it does not hurt until severe damage is done.

I still have a scar on my left middle finger where I was cleaning a surface with NaOH and there was a tiny hole in my glove. By the time I realised it, there was a raw exposed area where the body fats in my skin had been dissolved.

WE NO LONGER RECOMMEND THE USE OF SODIUM HYDROXIDE AS AN ELECTROLYTE, despite it being a valid substance to use as an electrolyte, due to the excessive danger associated with this product. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!]




Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 28, 2020, 07:47:55 PM
REDUCING AND CAPPING AGENTS

With the exception of gelatine, all the reducing agents are also capping agents of varying strengths.

All machines supposedly sold for making colloidal silver actually make I.S.O. (Ionic Silver Oxide). While this works extremely well as an anti-microbial agent, it may give rise to Argyria when most of it will instantly turn into silver chloride in the stomach. This is also undesirable in any case, as silver chloride is not as good at killing microbes as Ionic Silver Oxide or colloidal silver.

Therefore, we need a method of turning Ionic Silver Oxide into colloidal silver by reducing Silver Oxide to elemental Silver particles, and the second big secret of this forum is the use of reducing agents. The method we use results in nanoparticles of elemental silver of approximately 14 nanometres in size. This has been shown to give the best kill-rate of microbes; particles that are much smaller can actually be toxic. Larger particles are considerably less effective as they have difficulty in entering the bloodstream, and even if they do, for any given weight of silver there will be many fewer of them.

Nanoparticles of silver work by trundling around the bloodstream (or inside the intestine) like fog particles floating in the air. When a silver nanoparticle touches a bacterium, it causes a few atoms to exert a relatively huge electrical field between the bacterium and the nanoparticle. This burns a hole in the “skin” of the bacterium, killing it.

As you can imagine, the bacterium has no knowledge of nanoparticles, nor can it see the nanoparticle approaching, so it can neither avoid it, nor discern its' approaching nemesis. It is for this reason that killing bacteria with nanoparticles is so effective and is so unlikely to result in a bacterium becoming immune to colloidal silver, unlike conventional antibiotics.

It is similar to a mouse being struck by the arm of a mousetrap rather than a poison. It is difficult to learn from the experience if a hole is burned through your abdomen and your body contents are spilled into the bloodstream, especially if you can’t see the nanoparticles coming.

Most reducing agents, except gelatine, also act as capping agents; that is to say, the capping agent surrounds the nanoparticle and this protects it from the harsh acids in the stomach to a greater or lesser degree. Gelatine is only a capping agent (but it does this extremely well).

The reducing agents we are going to use are (in order of increasing capping ability) Karo corn syrup (in the USA), or Golden Syrup (in the UK); Maltodextrin (available as a pure white powder or as Carbogain in fitness shops); Cinnulin (cinnamon tincture); and maltodextrin or karo followed by gelatine.

Now, the obvious question is that if gelatine is the best capping agent, why would you use anything else? The answer is somewhat complicated, as there are a number of uses for colloidal silver and we do not have the research facilities to discern exactly what is happening at an atomic level. However, common sense assists us in general terms, and we strongly discourage people from using gelatine-capped colloidal silver for anything except internal (oral or drinking) use.

We suggest that people use Cinnulin or Gelatine capping for internal (drinking) use.
We suggest that people use Karo, Maltodextrin, or Cinnulin-reduced colloidal silver for external use on wounds or suchlike.
We suggest that people use Karo or Maltodextrin capped colloidal silver for inhalation for bacterial lung infections.
We suggest that if you are in a place where the medical professionals are free to use products without having their careers destroyed, (we have members in Africa who do this) you can also give Colloidal Silver by injection, in which case we would recommend the use of Karo, Golden syrup, glucose or maltodextrin as reducing/capping agents.
You can also administer Colloidal Silver anally, but the only country which has a history of doing this is France. People of Anglo-Saxon origin find this method laughable, but it is certainly valid as an administration technique, if you have the stomach for it, in which case we would recommend the use of sugar-capped Colloidal Silver. 

A few other notes on capping:
Capping prevents the silver particles from touching each other preventing agglomeration. Capping agents allow for higher ppm to be made.  You can also reduce colloidal silver by the use of heat alone, using a hotplate while the colloidal silver is being made, or by making colloidal silver cold and then heating it in a microwave oven.

Heat-reduced and Karo-reduced colloidal silver is only stable to about 20 ppm. The use of Maltodextrin allows the manufacture of nanoparticles up to about 100 ppm. Cinnulin is good for concentrations up to about 150 ppm. We have yet to find a concentration limit for gelatine, but Kephra has demonstrated 1000 ppm. Gelatine is the best at protecting the silver particles from being eroded by stomach acid.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 28, 2020, 08:54:29 PM
THE MAKING AND USE OF GELATINE AND CINNAMON TINCTURE

To make the gelatine solution:

Dissolve 1 gram of Knox unflavoured gelatine in 1 cup of cold water.
Allow to bloom for 5 minutes.
Heat until the gelatine dissolves (water looks clear again)
Allow to cool, and then bottle the gelatine liquid.
This is your gelatine stock solution.

Make the colloidal silver. While the colloidal silver is still hot, add 5 or 10 mls of the gelatine formula per 250ml of colloidal silver. Allow to cool.


To make cinnamon extract:

Buy the cheapest vodka from the supermarket and put 100 mls into a bottle with a tightly-fitting cap.

Obtain a coffee filter paper circle. In the middle of the filter paper, put 1 teaspoon of GOOD cinnamon powder, ideally Druera cinnamon direct from Ceylon. You can buy 1 lb online and it will arrive in less than a week. It will last you forever.

https://druera.com/ceylon-cinnamon-powder-grams-p-108.html?currency=GBP (https://druera.com/ceylon-cinnamon-powder-grams-p-108.html?currency=GBP)

Fold the filter paper into a "tea bag". Soak the "teabag" in 100ml vodka for 2 days. Remove and discard the "teabag". If you are very good at decanting liquids from powder residue, you can forget the coffee paper and just add the cinnamon directly to the vodka, let it steep for a couple of days and decant the tincture from the powder sludge which will settle at the bottom of the bottle. Then wash out the bottle and store the tincture back in the container.

The deep red liquid is the cinnamon tincture. Add 1 ml of tincture to each litre of distilled water in your reaction flask.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 28, 2020, 10:04:05 PM
THE CALCULATION

This is the third big secret of the manufacture of colloidal silver. The amount of silver liberated from the anode and turned into Ionic Silver Oxide and released into the Distilled Water (DW) to be reduced into colloidal silver is only dependant on current and time. Heat does not release more silver into solution. A higher production voltage makes the reaction work better but does not increase the ppm. The electrolyte enables the power supply to keep the current at a constant level, and this allows the ppm of the final product to be calculated.

The calculation for a constant-current electrolysis cell is:

Litres of distilled water x desired ppm of silver x 15 / milliamps on the ammeter = Minutes of runtime

Example 1:

3 litres DW x 20 ppm x 15   =   180 minutes
                  5 mA

Example 2:

250 ml DW x 20 ppm x 15   =     25 minutes
                  3 mA
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 30, 2020, 08:20:17 PM
SUNDRIES

It is advisable to also have the following sundry items in your kit:

A few oral dosing syringes (available from any chemist, no prescription required in the UK).
A thermometer, digital or analogue.
2 sets of digital scales; one for weighing the small weights of chemicals 0-50g or 0-100g, and one which can weigh the distilled water 0-5000g (5kg).
A TDS meter ONLY for checking the quality of distilled water; this is NOT for checking the ppm of the finished product.
Various small beakers for mixing your reagents.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 30, 2020, 08:29:40 PM
ASSEMBLY

Weigh the beaker or cafetiere and note the weight.

Pour the Distilled Water into the reaction flask or cafetiere up to the top of the anode, making sure that the crocodile clip or suspension wire of the anode is NOT IN THE WATER.

Weigh the water in the reaction vessel and note the weight of water, remembering to deduct the weight of the beaker if you have not set the scales using the TARE function. Note that (uniquely) for water, the weight in the metric system (in kilos) is the same as the volume (in litres). We cannot measure volume very well, but we can measure weight extremely accurately, so measuring water volume by weighing it is by far the easiest way to find the volume.

Put the reaction vessel on the hotplate but don't turn it on yet.

Raise the cathode upwards until only a quarter of an inch of the cathode is in the water.

Add the electrolyte and reducing agent to the distilled water.
(Do not add the gelatine until the end, if you are going to use gelatine as a capping agent).

Plug in (but don't switch on) the Power Supply Unit, and the hotplate.

Connect the red (+) pole of the power supply to the mA terminal of the ammeter.

Connect the COM (ground) of the ammeter to the ANODE (+). If the measurement of current displays as a negative value when the ammeter is turned on, swap the leads over at the ammeter.

Connect the CATHODE (-) to the black (-) pole of the Power Supply Unit.

Carefully note that the black wires connect the negative cathode to the black pole of the PSU, and the red wires go from the red pole of the PSU, through the ammeter, to the anode.

Turn on the hotplate and let it get hot; you do not necessarily have to wait until it has reached the simmer point (at approximately 115-140 degrees F). (To make Ionic Silver Oxide, carry out the same process, but keep the current very low and make the Ionic Silver Oxide at room temperature without any further heat, and in total darkness).

Turn on the ammeter and PSU. Adjust the cathode to obtain a voltage in excess of 10 volts, and using the instructions for the PSU, adjust the current for a suitable value. Too high and the batch will be spoiled, too low and you will die waiting. 3-5 mA is suitable for a small strip anode, 5-15 mA is suitable for a 1 toz silver bar or coin, 20-40 mA is suitable for a large plate anode, and up to 50 mA is suitable for very large electrode arrays. Check that the current climbs to the set-point and that the CC (Constant Current) light is illuminated.

At this point, ensure that you record:
The time (on the clock).
The current (in mA).
The weight of distilled water (in kilos) not including the weight of the reaction vessel or cafetiere.

NOW PERFORM THE CALCULATION as above. Work out the run-time and write it down.

Turn off any fluorescent lights and close the curtains to shut out any sunlight. Ultraviolet light may mess up the reaction. You should be operating the system in dim twilight; the silver anode will keep any vampires away.

Watch and wait, and sit entranced as the water slowly changes from colourless to a beautiful clear yellow and then (if you are making a large batch or high ppm) to the colour of Tennessee Sippin' Whisky (UK users will be watching for the colour of Drambuie or a Single Malt Scotch). You may consume some of this nourishment, if you feel that it will help you pass the time.

Being careful to keep your hands and clothing away from the hotplate, turn off the power to all units (especially do not forget to turn off the ammeter) when the runtime is done.

Allow to cool, filter any particles out and bottle. Store in a cool place. Do not refrigerate or freeze. Use clear glass or PET plastic bottles.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 31, 2020, 10:26:12 AM
FILTERING THE PRODUCT

The easiest and fastest way of filtering out any residue of silver oxide (the occasional black particles which may enter the Colloidal Silver) is to go to your local aquarium shop and buy 2 metres of silicone tubing (the soft flexible kind) and an aquarium oxygenating stone. Fit fit the stone pipe into the tubing, ensuring that you buy a filter stone that is thin enough to enter the mouth of your reaction vessel (if it is not a beaker).

To filter the finished Colloidal Silver, DON'T siphon the Colloidal Silver into the tube and out through the stone, you will never be able to clean the particles out of the stone and eventually you will have to throw the stone away. Instead, run it backwards. Gently lower the stone into the reaction vessel together with most of the tube. Put your finger over the end of the tube and then pull the tube back out of the reaction vessel, far enough out to use it as a siphon, with the open end of the tube lower than the reaction vessel and placed into the mouth of the storage bottle.

To stop the siphonic action, raise the storage bottle level with the Colloidal Silver in the reaction vessel, and the siphon will stop.

This is much more efficient and you can wash off any particles of silver oxide from the outside of the stone under a small stream of distilled water.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on March 31, 2020, 10:31:07 AM
This concludes the series of colloidal silver-making posts.

The thread is now open for comments, which will be answered within the question/comment. Comments will be heavily policed, not to stop legitimate comment or questions, but to keep the series easy to read. Any suggestions for improvements of the text or photos will be welcomed and amendments made accordingly.

I attach a photo of me in my colloidal silver-making den.

Happy Colloidal Silver Making!
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on March 31, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
Very nice to have a good resource like this. I am a bit concerned about bench power supplies though, based on what the company said about the one I bought and they said no bench power supply is designed for electrolysis and it causes damage. I think in time this power supply may croak due to the clicking. What should I do then?

Mine have lasted for years.
   I'm afraid I regard this equipment as a consumable item. The only purveyor of fairly good colloidal silver in the UK charges £40 per litre, incl postage. At this rate, the cost of a PSU is very reasonable.
   The clicking is due to the cycling of the relays internally to hold the current constant. It is a normal part of the process and the PSU is designed to have these relays opening and closing constantly.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on March 31, 2020, 08:25:41 PM
Great tutorial!

Ok so I will be Working with a lab bench power supply :
The Anode & Cathode Are 10 Gauge 6” long :
Will be making 1 Liter At a time .

3 litres DW x 20 ppm x 15   =   180 minutes
                  5 mA
So for 1 liter of 20ppm , set the PSU for 30v At 15ma will take 60 minutes to complete ?

Thanks Ed ..

Yes, that calculation is correct, but you cannot set both voltage and current. You will be setting the current at 15mA and then let the voltage drop to where it wishes. Provided the final voltage is in excess of 10V then that's fine.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on March 31, 2020, 08:34:38 PM
You want a large anode and a small cathode. I use 0.4mm copper wire which dips into the water about an inch, maybe just a tad more than an inch.

As for ma, you need to measure it with a multimeter and see what you are actually getting. I'd turn it on for 3 seconds, see the number of miliamps you get, turn it off and put that in your calculation and then turn on the power supply and start your timer.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on March 31, 2020, 08:39:13 PM
Thank you !
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Marco_1 on March 31, 2020, 09:29:45 PM
I still have a question ...
Step by step you have explained everything.
Are you not using a stirrer, is it unnecessary?
Or is there enough circulation through the heating plate to eliminate the stirrer?
To what temperature do you heat the process liquid?

A stirrer is not completely necessary if you are using heat. The convection currents in the hot water will stir the fluid adequately. A stirrer is good to have, but they are expensive. Buy one if you wish, but I only use mine if I am brewing Ionic Silver Oxide cold. The temperature does not have to be exact, but I would use in excess of 140 degrees Fahrenheit, but not anywhere near boiling.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on March 31, 2020, 10:47:59 PM
I still have a question ...
Step by step you have explained everything.
Are you not using a stirrer, is it unnecessary?
Or is there enough circulation through the heating plate to eliminate the stirrer?
To what temperature do you heat the process liquid?
A stirrer is not completely necessary if you are using heat. The convection currents in the hot water will stir the fluid adequately. A stirrer is good to have, but they are expensive. Buy one if you wish, but I only use mine if I am brewing Ionic Silver Oxide cold. The temperature does not have to be exact, but I would use in excess of 140 degrees Fahrenheit, but not anywhere near boiling.

What about using your brilliant idea for a filter siphon attached to a small air pump to push air into the mix slowly?  Then its already in place and you can use it as a siphon once done?  (great idea on that filter stone btw)

I would suggest that if you want to stir the water faster than the convection currents, drop a tiny aquarium pump into the water, powered externally. You can buy them for a few pounds/dollars. An airstone will introduce dust and cold air into the reaction vessel. I suppose you could use an airstone or bubbler but it doesn't stir the water effectively.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on March 31, 2020, 10:50:44 PM
Question: Your version of the electrode array is nice if you've got those plastic parts, but correct me if I'm wrong, can't you just use any non-conductive material like a plastic jar lid with rubber cut to fit the top as a gripping material for the anode and cathodes?

Yes, anything similar would do. I have seen people use a plastic lid with a slot cut in it and a wooden clothes peg used to hold the anode.

I really like the lid holder that this guy made for his Ionic silver device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y12waU8xsW8
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on March 31, 2020, 10:53:09 PM
Can you list the pro's and con's of the silver anode?
I notice many like the bars, is that due to the contact surface area, as opposed to the 12 ga silver wires?
I noticed you flattened them, is that to create more surface area?
Does it also relate to the amount of current you want to run through it?

Right now you could not buy a silver bar if your life depended on it.  Scared money is flooding into all precious metals, but the silver 1 oz bars in particular?!

The maximum surface area is required, so a flat sheet is best to make colloidal silver and easiest to fire-clean afterwards. The current that can be used is dependent on the surface area; higher currents need a larger anode area.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on March 31, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
Question: The blowtorch method for cleaning your silver, is there other methods that work as well? Say a rubber eraser and microfiber cloth?

Always fire-clean. It is the method "invented" by a German scientist who was a member on the forum in the past. As the Americans, Russians and others have found, the most innovative scientists have tended to be German (!)
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on March 31, 2020, 10:59:44 PM
Question: I understand the use and theory of a "capping" agent, but the term "reducing agent" I don't get.  Can you explain the mechanism or rationale behind the reducing agents role in creating 14nm size particles of silver?  That was lost on me.

All machines that make colloidal silver by electrolysis do so by making Ionic Silver Oxide which is then reduced to elemental silver in a colloidal form. The reducing agent does this naturally at exactly the size required, approx 14 nm. This size is also lethal to pathogens and yet harmless to all mammalian cells. You can thank God, nature, or biochemistry depending on your preference.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 01, 2020, 12:03:05 AM
I am using this 3 products that I found on one of the old posts 2-3 years ago. Can't really tell which one is better or safe. Any comments/advice will be appreciated. 

None. Use fire-cleaning.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Liam on April 01, 2020, 12:43:36 AM
Never use a metal scrubber!  You are contaminating your anode.
Fire cleaning is best because you are re-refining the silver instead of scrubbing it off.

Absolutely correct.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 01, 2020, 12:49:58 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 01, 2020, 02:31:22 AM
I have another question:
Is anybody using an ISOBUTANE to heat it up the process? In my opinion it is much easier control the temperature over electric. This is what I would like to use. Any thoughts? 

I think I just found the answer to my own question: It will be less stable and easy to knocked down and spill the precious silver  :'(

A gas ring is fine; either will do.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Marco_1 on April 01, 2020, 10:58:21 AM
I know that the number of mA is important to calculate how much silver is released.
It is indicated that at least 10V is required for this process, but between 10V and 30V (recommended power supply) there is quite a difference.
What is the ideal voltage to work with? and does a higher voltage have any advantages?

Technically, the higher voltage, the better. However, the actual figure does not matter. To understand this, you need to know how a Constant Current circuit works. As the conductivity increases (the more colloid is in solution) then gradually the voltage will decrease and the current (amperage) increases. In other words, the voltage required to "push" the current around decreases. This is what you are seeing. You cannot hold both current and voltage steady; voltage reduces as the machine puts more ions into solution.

Higher voltage is however better, as the ions are dispersed faster from the anode; the entire process is a balancing act, everything affects everything else. If it were simple, this forum (and this thread in particular) would not need to exist.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 01, 2020, 03:15:45 PM
Question: The blowtorch method for cleaning your silver, is there other methods that work as well? Say a rubber eraser and microfiber cloth?

Always fire-clean. It is the method "invented" by a German scientist who was a member on the forum in the past. As the Americans, Russians and others have found, the most innovative scientists have tended to be German (!)

Operation paperclip!

Well spotted. The Comedian Al Murray (YouTube refers) made an entire speech out of that fact; the trouble is, I would wager only half the audience realised that it was based on what you have pointed out.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 01, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
Question: The blowtorch method for cleaning your silver, is there other methods that work as well? Say a rubber eraser and microfiber cloth?

Always fire-clean. It is the method "invented" by a German scientist who was a member on the forum in the past. As the Americans, Russians and others have found, the most innovative scientists have tended to be German (!)

Operation paperclip!

Well spotted. The Comedian Al Murray (YouTube refers) made an entire speech out of that fact; the trouble is, I would wager only half the audience realised that it was based on what you have pointed out.

Is there a specific way to clean with the torch (for example, how long to heat up 1/8” rods, how much heat to apply, what to use to clean the rods after heat was applied:  paper towel, microfiber cloth or anything else to wipe it out?) Is there any instructions?
Thank you 
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Liam on April 01, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
Put the anode in the blue flame and heat it until it changes color to white.  Let it cool, and its ready to go.  It won't look like silver because the surface will be very granular.   This is normal.

Correct. This is all that is necessary.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 01, 2020, 07:38:33 PM
Put the anode in the blue flame and heat it until it changes color to white.  Let it cool, and its ready to go.  It won't look like silver because the surface will be very granular.   This is normal.

Thank you.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: dlipter on April 02, 2020, 04:44:02 AM
Here is a 0.5 micron stainless steel air stone that mught be useful for filtering. They are also available in 2 micron.

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/4000237924552.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.32ca710cTX2qbi&algo_pvid=f4a83565-0deb-4cfc-a164-07728514a23a&algo_expid=f4a83565-0deb-4cfc-a164-07728514a23a-22&btsid=0ab6f82215857985629188099e3eeb&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

Yes, this seems OK; I just feel that coffee filter papers are an unnecessary consumable. Normally the particles of silver oxide are easily visible and therefore the filtration doesn't need to be particularly high-quality. Just run it "backwards" to make it easier to clean.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: edwire on April 02, 2020, 09:09:49 PM
Here is a 0.5 micron stainless steel air stone that mught be useful for filtering. They are also available in 2 micron.

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/4000237924552.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.32ca710cTX2qbi&algo_pvid=f4a83565-0deb-4cfc-a164-07728514a23a&algo_expid=f4a83565-0deb-4cfc-a164-07728514a23a-22&btsid=0ab6f82215857985629188099e3eeb&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

Yes, this seems OK; I just feel that coffee filter papers are an unnecessary consumable. Normally the particles of silver oxide are easily visible and therefore the filtration doesn't need to be particularly high-quality. Just run it "backwards" to make it easier to clean.

Here is another one: https://www.amazon.com/Ferroday-Diffusion-Stainless-Aeration-Carbonating/dp/B07DFF4D3H/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=air+stone+0.5+Micron+Homebrew+Oxygenatie+Diffusie+Steen&qid=1585858132&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyNkhTUkYyRUlBU1o5JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTE5Mzk0MUNCMERQTEUwMldLNiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwOTM2Mzg4M0JHVU1IN05WN0ZOMSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX210ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: edwire on April 02, 2020, 09:11:56 PM
For faster delivery get it from Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/0-5-Micron-Stainless-Steel-Diffusion-Stone-Air-Stone-Home-Brew-/291726879464
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on April 03, 2020, 05:55:47 AM
What type size of tubing would be needed? I found one stone in the UK on eBay but it does not mention on the listing about what type of tubing would be required.

Also, do you have to wait till it goes cold before filtering or can you filter while hot?

You can filter while hot if you wish, but most people tend to let the Colloidal Silver cool.

As to the tubing diameter, a piece of 2 metres long, 6mm outside diameter/4mm inside diameter is what you need.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 03, 2020, 04:45:16 PM
Are I bleached coffee filters sufficient to strain the colloidal silver?

Thanks Ed

Certainly. I would not use a filter paper but there's no reason why not, apart from maybe cost and the speed of filtering.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 03, 2020, 09:38:43 PM
Here is a great cap idea to hold the anode and cathode without any clips, and is easy to move up and down.
1/8" thick rubber glued to lid, and 1/4" plastic glued to the rubber.

Excellent idea.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 03, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

This is an art bar and it is .999 fine. It is very good for use as an anode. The advantage of using a bullion bar is that it has markings which are effectively as good as a hallmark (same as a bullion coin).
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Familyman on April 03, 2020, 10:34:47 PM
I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

It looks like .999 fine silver so it should work just fine.

Yes, it's good. you can acid-test it at a jeweller if you wish.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 03, 2020, 11:44:08 PM
I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

It looks like .999 fine silver so it should work just fine.

Thank you.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 04, 2020, 02:14:38 AM
The Power Supply Unit;

This is the sort of laboratory bench Power Supply Unit you need. The one in the photo is a 30 Volt 5 Amp DC power supply. It must have a Constant-Current circuit in the specifications, and 30V with 3A output is about the minimum.

I am not going to give schematics or tell people how to convert a plug-in wall transformer, as I want anyone to be able to buy the stuff that I recommend straight off the shelf and use it.

The disadvantage of this unit is that the Constant Current circuitry is not very accurate in the measurement of very small currents, but it does hold that small current accurately. What I mean is that one of my bench PSU holds a current of 5 milliamps accurately at 7 milliamps; the stated current (5mA) is not the same as the output current (which is 7mA), but it does hold 7mA reasonably closely throughout the run. It is therefore adequate for our purpose.

The units are reasonably cheap and can be bought from eBay or Amazon very easily.

can i use same supply for colloidal gold  as well, I read somewhere that you must have 40vdc for making colloidal gold, but I dont have 40vdc, I only have 30VDC 10A supply, please advise. thank you

Yes, this is partly the reason that these PSUs were chosen. Just change the machine to operate in Constant Voltage mode and run it according to the instructions in the Colloidal Gold Production thread. Your 30V10A PSU is perfectly good; if you ever get another and want one specifically for Colloidal Gold production, then maybe the 50V10A option might be a little better, but the one you have is fine for the purpose.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 04, 2020, 02:27:52 PM
I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 04, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
Thank you I didn’t know that🙏
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 04, 2020, 03:47:31 PM
Cathode Gauge Question :

I will be using 10 Gauge silver Anode, I have 18 Gauge Fire alarm Copper Wire, I checked the specs it said solid copper I hope no other metals are mixed in, I also have a 6-8 Gauge copper Rod .

Which will work better for the  electrolysis process ?

Thanks Ed

They will be very similar; use either, both will be fine.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on April 04, 2020, 03:51:46 PM
The thinner the copper the better. No metal comes off the cathode. Just make sure it's bare metal so it will be electrically conductive with the water. I use 0.4mm copper wire, very flimsy stuff, not sure what gauge that is but it's really thin. The thinner it is, the deeper you can insert it, which is important if you are making Colloidal Silver using a hotplate since you lose water through evaporation.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 04, 2020, 03:58:17 PM
Thank you!

I’ll be using the thinner 18Gauge copper.

Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on April 04, 2020, 04:35:51 PM
26 gauge is what I use. I looked it up here https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/awg-wire-gauge-d_731.html
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 04, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
Thank you all for help.
This is the one I just bought of the E-Bay. I hope I've got the right one.  :)

Yes, that's good.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on April 04, 2020, 05:47:29 PM
Looks good. Make sure you do not have any crocodile clips or anything else attached to it that touch the water. Only have the silver touching the water.

Yes, correct; very important.

I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
Thank you all for help.
This is the one I just bought of the E-Bay. I hope I've got the right one.  :)
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 04, 2020, 06:24:01 PM
Looks good. Make sure you do not have any crocodile clips or anything else attached to it that touch the water. Only have the silver touching the water.

I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
Thank you all for help.
This is the one I just bought of the E-Bay. I hope I've got the right one.  :)

Thank you.
I am going to drill a hole on top of the bar and attache the copper wire. (No crocodile clips ;) ) Do I need to solder the copper wire to the silver bar or just do a couple of loops will be enough to pass electricity through it?
Thanks again, you guys ROCK !!!

Any way is OK as long as it's a firm connection, but just don't let the junction or suspension wire touch the water.
 
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 04, 2020, 06:28:40 PM
The price is not bad at all , going to buy 1!

Thanks Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: FromTheDen on April 04, 2020, 07:53:07 PM
@Smoke7, I may be paranoid, but I would not use copper wire to attach the silver bar. Especially if you are using heat, I think there could be moisture that would get on the copper wire, complete the circuit, and suck some copper into the electrolysis. It might be worth the investment to get some silver wire.

The basic instructions call for cleaning the electrode at the end of the process. That is fine for making a liter of 20ppm. If you start make higher ppm with heat & gelatin, you will need to fire clean the bar along the way, perhaps several times. For example, when making a liter of 320ppm at 15mA, I clean the anode (& wipe the cathode) about every 20 minutes at the beginning. Toward the end, it seems like I can extend the time to 30-35 minutes. I also find that I get less build up of silver oxide on the cathode when I run with the water hotter.

The SH-2 on eBay or Amazon is an economical stirring hot plate. I see Amazon has an even cheaper stirring hot plate available now, but I don't know anything about that one. I've used an SH-2 for several years.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 04, 2020, 09:01:03 PM
@Smoke7, I may be paranoid, but I would not use copper wire to attach the silver bar. Especially if you are using heat, I think there could be moisture that would get on the copper wire, complete the circuit, and suck some copper into the electrolysis. It might be worth the investment to get some silver wire.

The basic instructions call for cleaning the electrode at the end of the process. That is fine for making a liter of 20ppm. If you start make higher ppm with heat & gelatin, you will need to fire clean the bar along the way, perhaps several times. For example, when making a liter of 320ppm at 15mA, I clean the anode (& wipe the cathode) about every 20 minutes at the beginning. Toward the end, it seems like I can extend the time to 30-35 minutes. I also find that I get less build up of silver oxide on the cathode when I run with the water hotter.

The SH-2 on eBay or Amazon is an economical stirring hot plate. I see Amazon has an even cheaper stirring hot plate available now, but I don't know anything about that one. I've used an SH-2 for several years.

OH, thank you!!!
I didn't think about moister. I do have two silver rods that I am using to make colloidal silver; once I receive the silver bar I can attach one of the rods to the silver bar.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on April 04, 2020, 09:45:16 PM
I drilled a 2mm hole in my silver and bought 2mm silver wire and used that instead of copper so in a worst case scenario if water splashes on it, the only contact with the water is always silver. No solder needed. Avoid that. I just used my pliers to bend an eyelet to hold it in place.

I personally don't do this, but it's a very good idea.

Looks good. Make sure you do not have any crocodile clips or anything else attached to it that touch the water. Only have the silver touching the water.

I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
Thank you all for help.
This is the one I just bought of the E-Bay. I hope I've got the right one.  :)

Thank you.
I am going to drill a hole on top of the bar and attache the copper wire. (No crocodile clips ;) ) Do I need to solder the copper wire to the silver bar or just do a couple of loops will be enough to pass electricity through it?
Thanks again, you guys ROCK !!!

Any way is OK as long as it's a firm connection, but just don't let the junction or suspension wire touch the water.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: JMAL on April 04, 2020, 10:04:01 PM

Add the electrolyte and reducing agent to the distilled water.
(Do not add the gelatine until the end, if you are going to use gelatine as a capping agent).


If adding a gelatine capping agent at the end, am I to also to use a reducing agent with the electrolyte during the making process?

Thanks

Yes, make the Colloidal Silver the normal way; if you add the reducing agent at the beginning then that's what you do before gelatine capping at the end of the run.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: FromTheDen on April 05, 2020, 08:45:33 PM
Thank you @cfnisbet for putting together this excellent summary and simple way to start without a SilverTron!

As new folks start asking questions, the response is often, "Begin by reading the Articles section." I want to emphasize that again. As much as cfnisbet has packed into this post, it is still not a substitute for reading the Articles section.

There you'll find recipes for different versions of colloidal silver, how much reducer to use, and how to make dilute Karo with distilled water. Elsewhere on the forum you can find that it will keep longer if you dilute with vodka instead of distilled water. OK, that may be in the Articles too and I missed it.

Another option for filtering is using a Keurig style reusable basket in a funnel. I suspect the metal screen is not fine enough to catch particles of silver oxide precipitate, but if you're cleaning your electrodes frequently enough, you shouldn't have much of that.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 07, 2020, 07:39:25 PM
ASSEMBLY


Connect the red (+) pole of the power supply to the mA terminal of the ammeter.

Connect the COM (ground) of the ammeter to the ANODE (+). If the measurement of current displays as a negative value when the ammeter is turned on, swap the leads over at the ammeter.

Connect the CATHODE (-) to the black (-) pole of the Power Supply Unit.

Carefully note that the black wires connect the negative cathode to the black pole of the PSU, and the red wires go from the red pole of the PSU, through the ammeter, to the anode.

Can you do us a big favor?  Can you post a higher resolution picture of this setup so we can see how you've connected the ammeter??

See below, reply #66.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 07, 2020, 07:44:14 PM
Can you list the pro's and con's of the silver anode?
I notice many like the bars, is that due to the contact surface area, as opposed to the 12 ga silver wires?
I noticed you flattened them, is that to create more surface area?
Does it also relate to the amount of current you want to run through it?

Right now you could not buy a silver bar if your life depended on it.  Scared money is flooding into all precious metals, but the silver 1 oz bars in particular?!

The maximum surface area is required, so a flat sheet is best to make colloidal silver and easiest to fire-clean afterwards. The current that can be used is dependent on the surface area; higher currents need a larger anode area.
Is there any issue inserting the full 12" long 12 ga. silver wire into the beaker but bend it back on itself at the 6" mark, in order to get the most surface area??  Since this design uses a copper cathode, and I purchased a 12" long silver wire, it makes sense to use the whole thing right?
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on April 07, 2020, 09:44:37 PM
Click on the image to get a better display. If this is still not good enough I will take the photo or a series of photos again.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 07, 2020, 09:46:43 PM
Thank you sir for trying, but at mere kilobytes it is far to low a resolution to zoom in and see details.

The website has severe limits as to attachments. I will take another few photos tomorrow, and can send these new photos to your email address if you wish.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on April 08, 2020, 09:29:11 AM
Herewith photo #1 at max resolution for the website.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on April 08, 2020, 09:29:39 AM
Herewith photo #2 at max resolution for the website.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on April 08, 2020, 09:29:57 AM
Herewith photo #3 at max resolution for the website.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 08, 2020, 08:17:05 PM
 the photos are so much clearer!

What settings should we set our multi-Meters to?

Thanks Ed!

Voltage = max voltage, although it will then automatically drop to compensate for keeping the current up. Current = 5 mA for a silver wire, 15 - 20 mA for any other anode unless it's really big, in which case I go up to about 50 mA for the 1-foot ruler-sized anodes.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 08, 2020, 09:07:22 PM
Thank you sir for trying, but at mere kilobytes it is far to low a resolution to zoom in and see details.

The website has severe limits as to attachments. I will take another few photos tomorrow, and can send these new photos to your email address if you wish.
you can use www.imgur.com to upload any size photos and it will stay forever, they dont delete it from there.

Thanks. Didn't turn out to be necessary, but I'll remember it for the next time.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Neofizz on April 08, 2020, 10:53:27 PM
I use 'irfanview' (ya, I'm old) to compress images. I set to about 87% quality and it comes out using 1/10th the space but is still perfectly clear and full size on screen. And it's great for doing huge batches of photos in one shot as well. Oh, and it's free.  8)
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 08, 2020, 11:53:23 PM
the photos are so much clearer!

What settings should we set our multi-Meters to?

Thanks Ed!

Voltage = max voltage, although it will then automatically drop to compensate for keeping the current up. Current = 5 mA for a silver wire, 15 - 20 mA for any other anode unless it's really big, in which case I go up to about 50 mA for the 1-foot ruler-sized anodes.

I have a similar question too. How many mA should I put to my new silver bar that I received yesterday? I’ve only used rods before.  Another question, about the cathode,  I have some 12 gauge electric copper wire laying around and was going to use it with the silver bar (I know you said there is no difference between silver or copper wire) however I am not sure if it has to be pure copper or if any copper wire will work? Or, should I use silver to be safe since I am not an experienced silver maker (yet)  :)
Thanks a lot for all your help cfnisbet

If you are talking about a 1 toz silver bullion bar, then 15mA is what I would use. The cathode can be any copper or stainless steel wire.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 09, 2020, 12:45:32 AM
the photos are so much clearer!

What settings should we set our multi-Meters to?

Thanks Ed!

Voltage = max voltage, although it will then automatically drop to compensate for keeping the current up. Current = 5 mA for a silver wire, 15 - 20 mA for any other anode unless it's really big, in which case I go up to about 50 mA for the 1-foot ruler-sized anodes.

I have a similar question too. How many mA should I put to my new silver bar that I received yesterday? I’ve only used rods before.  Another question, about the cathode,  I have some 12 gauge electric copper wire laying around and was going to use it with the silver bar (I know you said there is no difference between silver or copper wire) however I am not sure if it has to be pure copper or if any copper wire will work? Or, should I use silver to be safe since I am not an experienced silver maker (yet)  :)
Thanks a lot for all your help cfnisbet

well, here is your answer:
Quote
"Time required for 1 liter of 20 ppm Colloidal silver at various constant currents:


Current mA      Time minutes
  3                  100
  5                  60
  6                  50
  10                 30
  15                 20
"
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 09, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
Thanks so much CFNISBET!  Those were much better.  I had the same question as Etheric Zone and imcool, which is one reason I wanted to see those connections.  What would be really cool is if you could do a short video of running a batch and you tweaking the settings based on the mm readings.  That would nail it down solid for me and I'm sure others.  If you not comfortable editing a video, I don't mind doing it for you.  I've got drop box pro, and can host it if you don't like youtube.

Cheers!
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 09, 2020, 06:14:36 PM
https://www.cgcsforum.org/index.php?topic=5066.msg41882#msg41882

Videos from forum are here.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 09, 2020, 07:24:15 PM
I would love to do a YouTube video using Kehpras New Tutorial But I want to make sure that I learn the process from start to finish and turn out the most accurate product .

Iv made videos making Colloidal Silver , but using a basic set up, I currently purchased a Lab bench power supply and still leaning the advanced process .

I hope that some of the more knowledgeable members can make a start to finish video using this thread as a foundation .

Stay Safe everyone !
Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 10, 2020, 04:30:14 AM
Just for curiosity.
Which method is: better/different/accurate/safer to make a colloidal silver?
1.   Make ionic silver in room temperature and then turn in to colloidal with reducing agent and heat up to 140%
2.    Adding reducing agent with electrolyte and apply heat while creating colloidal silver?

Thank you, Gregory

It makes very little difference. Either is fine. Some people may be concerned that adding the reducing agent at the beginning means that a tiny amount of the reducing agent gets electrolysed, but this is a very small amount and is pretty insignificant. I personally add all reagents except gelatine at the beginning.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 10, 2020, 09:49:13 PM
Just for curiosity.
Which method is: better/different/accurate/safer to make a colloidal silver?
1.   Make ionic silver in room temperature and then turn in to colloidal with reducing agent and heat up to 140%
2.    Adding reducing agent with electrolyte and apply heat while creating colloidal silver?

Thank you, Gregory

It makes very little difference. Either is fine. Some people may be concerned that adding the reducing agent at the beginning means that a tiny amount of the reducing agent gets electrolysed, but this is a very small amount and is pretty insignificant. I personally add all reagents except gelatine at the beginning.

Thank you for all your time and help.
The reason I asked, because I made a Colloidal Silver generator all in one box (power supply, speed control, voltage and current regulator with magnetic stirring and not able to heat), or I can use butane ring burner, but not able to constantly stir.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 10, 2020, 10:11:41 PM
Just for curiosity.
Which method is: better/different/accurate/safer to make a colloidal silver?
1.   Make ionic silver in room temperature and then turn in to colloidal with reducing agent and heat up to 140%
2.    Adding reducing agent with electrolyte and apply heat while creating colloidal silver?

Thank you, Gregory

It makes very little difference. Either is fine. Some people may be concerned that adding the reducing agent at the beginning means that a tiny amount of the reducing agent gets electrolysed, but this is a very small amount and is pretty insignificant. I personally add all reagents except gelatine at the beginning.

Thank you for all your time and help.
The reason I asked, because I made a Colloidal Silver generator all in one box (power supply, speed control, voltage and current regulator with magnetic stirring and not able to heat), or I can use butane ring burner, but not able to constantly stir.

Pretty cool set up!

Is that a 50v 5ma Module ?
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 10, 2020, 10:50:11 PM
Just for curiosity.
Which method is: better/different/accurate/safer to make a colloidal silver?
1.   Make ionic silver in room temperature and then turn in to colloidal with reducing agent and heat up to 140%
2.    Adding reducing agent with electrolyte and apply heat while creating colloidal silver?

Thank you, Gregory

It makes very little difference. Either is fine. Some people may be concerned that adding the reducing agent at the beginning means that a tiny amount of the reducing agent gets electrolysed, but this is a very small amount and is pretty insignificant. I personally add all reagents except gelatine at the beginning.
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good question
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 11, 2020, 12:14:59 AM
Just for curiosity.
Which method is: better/different/accurate/safer to make a colloidal silver?
1.   Make ionic silver in room temperature and then turn in to colloidal with reducing agent and heat up to 140%
2.    Adding reducing agent with electrolyte and apply heat while creating colloidal silver?

Thank you, Gregory

It makes very little difference. Either is fine. Some people may be concerned that adding the reducing agent at the beginning means that a tiny amount of the reducing agent gets electrolysed, but this is a very small amount and is pretty insignificant. I personally add all reagents except gelatine at the beginning.

Thank you for all your time and help.
The reason I asked, because I made a Colloidal Silver generator all in one box (power supply, speed control, voltage and current regulator with magnetic stirring and not able to heat), or I can use butane ring burner, but not able to constantly stir.
I prefer number 1 for now for similar reasons. Glad to see that it really does not make a difference.
Very impressive setup Smoke! Maybe you can host a video of you using that device and later give details on its construction.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 11, 2020, 02:12:54 AM
Just for curiosity.
Which method is: better/different/accurate/safer to make a colloidal silver?
1.   Make ionic silver in room temperature and then turn in to colloidal with reducing agent and heat up to 140%
2.    Adding reducing agent with electrolyte and apply heat while creating colloidal silver?

Thank you, Gregory

It makes very little difference. Either is fine. Some people may be concerned that adding the reducing agent at the beginning means that a tiny amount of the reducing agent gets electrolysed, but this is a very small amount and is pretty insignificant. I personally add all reagents except gelatine at the beginning.

Thank you for all your time and help.
The reason I asked, because I made a Colloidal Silver generator all in one box (power supply, speed control, voltage and current regulator with magnetic stirring and not able to heat), or I can use butane ring burner, but not able to constantly stir.

Pretty cool set up!

Is that a 50v 5ma Module ?

It is:

Current Conversion:    DC to DC
Input voltage:            DC 5-36V
Output voltage:           1.25-32V DC
Output Power:           up to 75W (Please use it within 50W)
Output current:           Adjustable, from 0 up to 5A (Please use it within 4.5A)

I removed current and voltage on board regulators and replaced with 2 variable potentiometers for ease adjustments (two on top of my box) 

You can search E-Bay: 5A DC Buck Step Down Power Converter Voltage Current Regulator.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 01:22:44 PM
Yes I was look8ng at a 50v 5ma Module to build my own power supply.

https://www.ebay.com/i/253362877198?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=253362877198&targetid=907798224154&device=t&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012276&poi=&campaignid=9338046428&mkgroupid=94993970859&rlsatarget=pla-907798224154&abcId=1139336&merchantid=118852035&gclid=CjwKCAjw1cX0BRBmEiwAy9tKHko8ptjYsioVKfDfRAzCrOvthbA539EmtaRLrM_K2UjlfLDhH1_-exoCoDQQAvD_BwE

Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 11, 2020, 04:05:00 PM
Yes I was look8ng at a 50v 5ma Module to build my own power supply.

https://www.ebay.com/i/253362877198?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=253362877198&targetid=907798224154&device=t&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012276&poi=&campaignid=9338046428&mkgroupid=94993970859&rlsatarget=pla-907798224154&abcId=1139336&merchantid=118852035&gclid=CjwKCAjw1cX0BRBmEiwAy9tKHko8ptjYsioVKfDfRAzCrOvthbA539EmtaRLrM_K2UjlfLDhH1_-exoCoDQQAvD_BwE

Ed

from where will you provide 50v dc in that module? i am wondering about that too, as I have to do the same. I only have 30vdc bench power supply
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 05:00:01 PM
According to the tutorial 50v is not needed, 30v @ 5ma is where I want to be, when making 20ppm using 10 Gauge Silver Rods , From what I understand I have to maintain a minimum between the probes of 10v ..

I’m still learning this advanced process .
Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 11, 2020, 05:34:25 PM
Yes I was look8ng at a 50v 5ma Module to build my own power supply.

https://www.ebay.com/i/253362877198?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=253362877198&targetid=907798224154&device=t&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012276&poi=&campaignid=9338046428&mkgroupid=94993970859&rlsatarget=pla-907798224154&abcId=1139336&merchantid=118852035&gclid=CjwKCAjw1cX0BRBmEiwAy9tKHko8ptjYsioVKfDfRAzCrOvthbA539EmtaRLrM_K2UjlfLDhH1_-exoCoDQQAvD_BwE

Ed

Ed,
The module you showed me is not 5ma, it is 5AMP and it is a similar module to what I have, only more modern and 50v VS mine is 36. It will do an awesome job for the generator, however in my opinion 50V is a little bit overkill. I have never seen that somebody will use more than 30V but I may be wrong and also to get up to 50v you will have to provide 50v power supply which will be harder to find and more expensive.  I may be able to help you with the power supply, we use CISCO access points at work which has a 48v power supply. I will search E-Bay and if I find one I will send you a link.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: wgpeters on April 11, 2020, 05:40:00 PM
You normally don't need 50 volts.
The reason you need more volts than 10 going into your power module is so that the module has voltage available to control the current.  So if the cell resistance becomes high (like raising the cathode), the module can apply more voltage to maintain the desired current, and if the cell resistance is lower, the module can decrease the applied voltage to bring the current back to the desired level.  Current equals voltage divided by resistance.

BUT remember the 10 volts minimum is for an electrode spacing of 1.5 inches (37mm)
At 2 inches, you need 12 volts
At 3 inches, you need 16.5 volts
This is to provide the same electric field strength which propels ions from one electrode to the other.

Required volts = 4.33 X Spacing in inches plus 3.5

Higher ppm does not require higher volts.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 06:08:18 PM
I will be using 1.5” Spacing with my 10 Gauge Silver Rods .
I will only be making 20ppm colloidal silver .

I found a HP printer 30v 3a power supply that can provide the power for the above module , but I don’t know if 3a will be sufficient for the process.
HP 0957-2286 Printer AC Power Supply Adapter Output 30V 333mA Transformer

Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 06:19:46 PM
Yes I was look8ng at a 50v 5ma Module to build my own power supply.

https://www.ebay.com/i/253362877198?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=253362877198&targetid=907798224154&device=t&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012276&poi=&campaignid=9338046428&mkgroupid=94993970859&rlsatarget=pla-907798224154&abcId=1139336&merchantid=118852035&gclid=CjwKCAjw1cX0BRBmEiwAy9tKHko8ptjYsioVKfDfRAzCrOvthbA539EmtaRLrM_K2UjlfLDhH1_-exoCoDQQAvD_BwE

Ed

Ed,
The module you showed me is not 5ma, it is 5AMP and it is a similar module to what I have, only more modern and 50v VS mine is 36. It will do an awesome job for the generator, however in my opinion 50V is a little bit overkill. I have never seen that somebody will use more than 30V but I may be wrong and also to get up to 50v you will have to provide 50v power supply which will be harder to find and more expensive.  I may be able to help you with the power supply, we use CISCO access points at work which has a 48v power supply. I will search E-Bay and if I find one I will send you a link.


I found this HP printer power source that could power the above module , I won’t need 50v .
HP 0957-2286 Printer AC Power Supply Adapter Output 30V 333mA Transformer
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
You normally don't need 50 volts.
The reason you need more volts than 10 going into your power module is so that the module has voltage available to control the current.  So if the cell resistance becomes high (like raising the cathode), the module can apply more voltage to maintain the desired current, and if the cell resistance is lower, the module can decrease the applied voltage to bring the current back to the desired level.  Current equals voltage divided by resistance.

BUT remember the 10 volts minimum is for an electrode spacing of 1.5 inches (37mm)
At 2 inches, you need 12 volts
At 3 inches, you need 16.5 volts
This is to provide the same electric field strength which propels ions from one electrode to the other.

Required volts = 4.33 X Spacing in inches plus 3.5

Higher ppm does not require higher volts.

I found these 2 items to help me build a low cost generator , all I will be making is 20ppm , using 1.5” spacing 2 10 Gauge silver Rods , would this set up work Sir?

And this will be the power source :
HP 0957-2286 Printer AC Power Supply Adapter Output 30V 333mA Transformer.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: wgpeters on April 11, 2020, 07:07:16 PM
I will be using 1.5” Spacing with my 10 Gauge Silver Rods .
I will only be making 20ppm colloidal silver .

I found a HP printer 30v 3a power supply that can provide the power for the above module , but I don’t know if 3a will be sufficient for the process.
HP 0957-2286 Printer AC Power Supply Adapter Output 30V 333mA Transformer

Ed
It is more than enough. 
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 11, 2020, 07:13:00 PM
Yes I was look8ng at a 50v 5ma Module to build my own power supply.

https://www.ebay.com/i/253362877198?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=253362877198&targetid=907798224154&device=t&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012276&poi=&campaignid=9338046428&mkgroupid=94993970859&rlsatarget=pla-907798224154&abcId=1139336&merchantid=118852035&gclid=CjwKCAjw1cX0BRBmEiwAy9tKHko8ptjYsioVKfDfRAzCrOvthbA539EmtaRLrM_K2UjlfLDhH1_-exoCoDQQAvD_BwE

Ed

Ed,
The module you showed me is not 5ma, it is 5AMP and it is a similar module to what I have, only more modern and 50v VS mine is 36. It will do an awesome job for the generator, however in my opinion 50V is a little bit overkill. I have never seen that somebody will use more than 30V but I may be wrong and also to get up to 50v you will have to provide 50v power supply which will be harder to find and more expensive.  I may be able to help you with the power supply, we use CISCO access points at work which has a 48v power supply. I will search E-Bay and if I find one I will send you a link.


I found this HP printer power source that could power the above module , I won’t need 50v .
HP 0957-2286 Printer AC Power Supply Adapter Output 30V 333mA Transformer


That will do it and much cheaper. I saw on E-Bay for around $8 with free shipping.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 07:24:18 PM
Awesome was waiting to receive Kehpras blessing!

Thanks All Going To Order On EBay!

Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 11, 2020, 09:31:57 PM
Awesome was waiting to receive Kehpras blessing!

Thanks All Going To Order On EBay!

Ed

I want to personally thank “cfinisbet” (sorry I do not know your name) for creating this thread and really helping us out. THANK YOU.

You are welcome.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 09:46:45 PM
Just ordered everything even a vented project box!

Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 11, 2020, 10:55:54 PM
Just ordered everything even a vented project box!

Ed
Are ebay sellers from USA are working? or you ordered from a seller who is based in China?
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 11, 2020, 10:57:19 PM
US...
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 12, 2020, 11:14:37 PM
FYI.
A couple of days ago I was reading some of the previous posts on here and found one article about the distilled water posted by someone (didn’t memorize his name). He was saying that Wal-Mart distilled water has a 000PPM, so I went to my local Wal-Mart and bought 4 one-gallon jugs of water and tested them with a TDS meter (yes I know we can’t measure silver with TDS) and all 4 jars showed 005PPM in it. I am not sure if it was a bad batch or what? I went to Menards and purchased 1 gallon of water for the test and its result was 000PPM.
I just wanted to share this with you.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 13, 2020, 09:50:24 PM
thats why I make my own distilled water,
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 14, 2020, 01:10:43 AM
thats why I make my own distilled water,
That is awesome.
I was going to make my own water distiller, but I only make colloidal silver once a year and have no other need for distilled water, so it’s just going to be sitting around the house taking up space.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 14, 2020, 01:35:17 AM
thats why I make my own distilled water,
That is awesome.
I was going to make my own water distiller, but I only make colloidal silver once a year and have no other need for distilled water, so it’s just going to be sitting around the house taking up space.
yes but I want to make gold water on regular basis too so i need distilled water
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 14, 2020, 06:25:33 AM
thats why I make my own distilled water,
That is awesome.
I was going to make my own water distiller, but I only make colloidal silver once a year and have no other need for distilled water, so it’s just going to be sitting around the house taking up space.
yes but I want to make gold water on regular basis too so i need distilled water
Lucky you, in my house only one person has GOLD: my wife. :)
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 14, 2020, 09:50:08 PM
One simple question.
Do I have to rinse all the bottles, containers, and glass with the distilled water to store the colloidal silver or it's only required when you are making colloidal silver?
Thank you.

I would say rinse out with Distilled Water before making it, and rinse out your storage bottles before using them.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 15, 2020, 12:52:07 AM
Yes I was look8ng at a 50v 5ma Module to build my own power supply.

https://www.ebay.com/i/253362877198?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=253362877198&targetid=907798224154&device=t&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012276&poi=&campaignid=9338046428&mkgroupid=94993970859&rlsatarget=pla-907798224154&abcId=1139336&merchantid=118852035&gclid=CjwKCAjw1cX0BRBmEiwAy9tKHko8ptjYsioVKfDfRAzCrOvthbA539EmtaRLrM_K2UjlfLDhH1_-exoCoDQQAvD_BwE

Ed

Ed,
The module you showed me is not 5ma, it is 5AMP and it is a similar module to what I have, only more modern and 50v VS mine is 36. It will do an awesome job for the generator, however in my opinion 50V is a little bit overkill. I have never seen that somebody will use more than 30V but I may be wrong and also to get up to 50v you will have to provide 50v power supply which will be harder to find and more expensive.  I may be able to help you with the power supply, we use CISCO access points at work which has a 48v power supply. I will search E-Bay and if I find one I will send you a link.


Can you please tell me the difference of 5ma, and 5AMP , And would I be able to set that module at 5ma?
Sorry  electronics is not my strong hold ..
Ed

So I would have to set the Amps At 0.0005A on the module ?
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Gene on April 15, 2020, 02:43:14 AM
1 amp is 1000ma so 0.005amps would be 5ma
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: danremidanre@gmail.com on April 15, 2020, 02:46:36 AM
Hi, I'm new here, sorry if I'm questioning on the wrong place..
I have 14V, 11mA .. I'm trying to produce some.. is it good? The ideal is 25 ppm for oral treatment? How long i need to produce 1 litter?
Thanks God bless
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 15, 2020, 03:38:27 AM
Yes I was look8ng at a 50v 5ma Module to build my own power supply.

https://www.ebay.com/i/253362877198?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=253362877198&targetid=907798224154&device=t&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012276&poi=&campaignid=9338046428&mkgroupid=94993970859&rlsatarget=pla-907798224154&abcId=1139336&merchantid=118852035&gclid=CjwKCAjw1cX0BRBmEiwAy9tKHko8ptjYsioVKfDfRAzCrOvthbA539EmtaRLrM_K2UjlfLDhH1_-exoCoDQQAvD_BwE

Ed

Ed,
The module you showed me is not 5ma, it is 5AMP and it is a similar module to what I have, only more modern and 50v VS mine is 36. It will do an awesome job for the generator, however in my opinion 50V is a little bit overkill. I have never seen that somebody will use more than 30V but I may be wrong and also to get up to 50v you will have to provide 50v power supply which will be harder to find and more expensive.  I may be able to help you with the power supply, we use CISCO access points at work which has a 48v power supply. I will search E-Bay and if I find one I will send you a link.


Can you please tell me the difference of 5ma, and 5AMP , And would I be able to set that module at 5ma?
Sorry  electronics is not my strong hold ..
Ed

So I would have to set the Amps At 0.0005A on the module ?

Ed,
Set your module to CC (current control) to 0.005mA. Do not worry about the voltage. Use around 20-30V it will go up and down depending on the current. At the beginning it will show 0.000mA, however once you start adding electrolytes the current will go up and MUST stop at the 0.005mA. This is what the CC regulator does, it monitors the current. DO NOT set it up by the voltage use, only current control; the voltage will then adjust itself automatically. 

The dot after first digit 0.000 represents the current
The dot after second digit 00.00 represents the voltage.     


Here is the video on you tube may help you with the setting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R0ymIulKa0
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 15, 2020, 11:37:22 AM
Awesome thanks!
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 15, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
THE MAKING AND USE OF GELATINE AND CINNAMON TINCTURE

To make the gelatine solution:

Dissolve 1 gram of Knox unflavored gelatin in 1 cup of cold water.
Alllow to bloom for 5 minutes.
Heat until the gelatin dissolves (water looks clear again)
Allow to cool, and then bottle the gelatin liquid.
This is your gelatine stock solution.

Make the colloidal silver. While the colloidal silver is still hot, add 5 or 10 mls of the gelatin formula per 250ml of colloidal silver. Allow to cool.

Can you elaborate a bit more on gelatin's ability to make high concentration colloidal silver?  I'm lost at the initial stage where we have the electrolyte cooking away for the instructed time per the Volts, Amps, and Bar sizes. I get that part, but what makes the PPM higher.  I'm pretty sure that the 20PPM I end up with before capping does not magically become 150ppm just by adding gelatin?  Can I assume that the electrolysis front end time is simple extended to get more silver in solution, which is unstable UNTIL capped by gelatin?
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Liam on April 15, 2020, 06:15:16 PM
Ppm depends only on current, time and water volume.
Gelatin makes it possible to have higher ppm with stability.
Capping makes it stable.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 15, 2020, 06:47:10 PM
Ppm depends only on current, time and water volume.
Gelatin makes it possible to have higher ppm with stability.
Capping makes it stable.
Thanks Liam, I got a more detailed description in another thread here that describes the process exactly! Now I got that part. One last hurdle
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on April 15, 2020, 10:02:11 PM
Could this be produced into a nice downloadable PDF for future reference in case the site vanishes or is Orwellianly vanished etc?

I will certainly consider this. In the meantime, I would encourage readers to copy and paste the first two pages of this thread into a Word or LibreOffice document. If you use LibreOffice, you can save the document output as a PDF file.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on April 16, 2020, 02:16:50 PM
Will the silicone tube handle hot colloidal silver going through it? Or must you wait till it's cooler to filter-siphon it out?

There are no issues with filtering hot colloidal silver, I do it all the time because I'm impatient
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 16, 2020, 07:35:17 PM
I've started to create with pictures too, cuz I like pictures. I just copy and paste CF's text on the right pictures he posted.
The one point I'm getting stuck on is CC (constant current) versus CV (constant Voltage), as I think my unit starts out with CC when I turn it on, but switches to CV when I dial up the power.  It still seemed to work when I put the MMeter inline like CF's pictures show. I was getting 5+mA (I think that is what it meant) and I could adjust that mA by raising or lowering the copper Anode
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Liam on April 16, 2020, 08:03:19 PM
Always turn your voltage control full up, maximum.       Correct.
Adjust current with the current control.         Correct.
The power supply will then vary the voltage to keep the current constant.
Current = voltage divided by resistance.
Resistance is determined by your cell chemistry which changes with time, and the electrode configuration.

If you are changing the ma (current) by raising and lowering the cathode, you are doing it wrong.

 Correct.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 16, 2020, 08:09:50 PM
Always turn your voltage control full up, maximum.
Adjust current with the current control. 
The power supply will then vary the voltage to keep the current constant.
Current = voltage divided by resistance.
Resistance is determined by your cell chemistry which changes with time, and the electrode configuration.

If you are changing the ma (current) by raising and lowering the cathode, you are doing it wrong.
Damn, I was afraid of that. I did do it wrong then. So I've narrowed the problem down to my lack of understanding of the PSU.
It will not stay on CC.  I read someplace here that you have to short out the unit to get it to switch to CC? Short might be the wrong term, but could you point me in the right direction?


This can often happen if you try to adjust the CC circuit too high. If this happens, just run the batch and manually note the current. The amperage will eventually climb into the CC zone.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 17, 2020, 01:34:21 AM
Will the silicone tube handle hot colloidal silver going through it? Or must you wait till it's cooler to filter-siphon it out?

There are no issues with filtering hot colloidal silver, I do it all the time because I'm impatient

Not for showoff, but every batch I made it's very clean/clear and has nothing floating inside, DO I still have to filter it?

Thanks. 
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: SaltyCornflakes on April 17, 2020, 02:55:14 AM
No, filtering is more or less just a cosmetic thing when the run is imperfect and you get metal particles or dust in the glass or what-have-you.

Silicone is heat resistant. I use a silicone tube to extend the nozzle of my distiller down into the glassware, so that's close to boiling temperature. No issues. There's silicone oven mats.

 Correct, thanks. I had forgotten about the oven mats, we cook our chips on one.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 17, 2020, 05:01:59 AM
No, filtering is more or less just a cosmetic thing when the run is imperfect and you get metal particles or dust in the glass or what-have-you.

Silicone is heat resistant. I use a silicone tube to extend the nozzle of my distiller down into the glassware, so that's close to boiling temperature. No issues. There's silicone oven mats.

Thanks.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 17, 2020, 05:50:46 AM
hi all, i am confused.Do silvertron owners still have to put reducing and capping agent for making colloidal silver?
thanks for replying

Yes, they do. Everything is exactly the same as the process above, the SilverTron just takes the place of the PSU and calculates the process in real time. The SilverTron is an exercise in precision. The process is otherwise exactly the same.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 17, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Click on the image to get a better display. If this is still not good enough I will take the photo or a series of photos again.

So the multi meter remains connected  throughout the entire process ?
Can the Power supply monitor the same readings as the Multi meter?

Thanks Ed

The multimeter is connected throughout the process, because it is accurate and the meter built into the asctual PSU is not (unless you are very lucky). The PSU meter will almost certainly not give the same reading.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 17, 2020, 07:03:15 PM
Click on the image to get a better display. If this is still not good enough I will take the photo or a series of photos again.

So the multi meter remains connected  throughout the entire process ?
Can the Power supply monitor the same readings as the Multi meter?

Thanks Ed
Ed,
You don’t really need the multimeter your module will do just great. They multimeter just to double check making sure that your module is providing the same voltage on output. However most cheap multimeters are not accurate. You can measure once to compare your module with multimeter if it has the same amp or voltage through the multimeter.
By the way your module is a multimiter.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 17, 2020, 07:58:18 PM
Always turn your voltage control full up, maximum.
Adjust current with the current control. 
The power supply will then vary the voltage to keep the current constant.
Current = voltage divided by resistance.
Resistance is determined by your cell chemistry which changes with time, and the electrode configuration.

If you are changing the ma (current) by raising and lowering the cathode, you are doing it wrong.
Damn, I was afraid of that. I did do it wrong then. So I've narrowed the problem down to my lack of understanding of the PSU.
It will not stay on CC.  I read someplace here that you have to short out the unit to get it to switch to CC? Short might be the wrong term, but could you point me in the right direction?


This can often happen if you try to adjust the CC circuit too high. If this happens, just run the batch and manually note the current. The amperage will eventually climb into the CC zone.
Any chance you can show me a video or elaborate more on that one point. I've very close but that CC vs CV on the power supply is confusing me. Sorry for being so dense.

1) Adjust voltage to max.
2) Adjust amperage to min.
3) Start the process, turn on the power.
4) Turn the current up VERY SLOWLY IN TINY INCREMENTS. The CC lamp should light.
5) Turn up the current adjuster very slightly until it is registering the desired current. If everything is working perfectly, the CC light should stay lit and the current should be on the correct desired current.
6) However, sometimes the CC light goes out and the unit will still be working, but the current (amperage) will slowly climb up to the set point, at which time the CC light will come back on, indicating that the current is now high enough to be regulated.
7) Continue the run to the end.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 17, 2020, 08:21:57 PM
Click on the image to get a better display. If this is still not good enough I will take the photo or a series of photos again.

So the multi meter remains connected  throughout the entire process ?
Can the Power supply monitor the same readings as the Multi meter?

Thanks Ed
Ed,
You don’t really need the multimeter your module will do just great. They multimeter just to double check making sure that your module is providing the same voltage on output. However most cheap multimeters are not accurate. You can measure once to compare your module with multimeter if it has the same amp or voltage through the multimeter.
By the way your module is a multimiter.

Thank you !
Much clearer now!
Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 18, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
Now for the electrode array.

You will need a few 1" copper nails (steel will do), a strip of 6 plastic electrical junctions, a brass rod for the cathode (thick copper or alloy wire will do), a small crocodile clip of sufficient strength to hold onto your chosen anode, and a piece of polythene mesh or sheet (I used a plastic gutter cover, but you could use a plastic cutting board or sheet of perspex).

The first few photos are attached; click to expand a photo in order to magnify it.

In the UK, all the items are available from B&Q or other retail builders' merchants. I would imagine that the USA has the same things (only half the price!)

Do you have a link of the plastic terminal that holds the Anode and cathode Bard , I will be using 10 Gauge Silver Rods .

Thanks Ed

Link is here:

https://www.diy.com/departments/b-q-white-30a-6-way-cable-connector-strip/178061_BQ.prd (https://www.diy.com/departments/b-q-white-30a-6-way-cable-connector-strip/178061_BQ.prd)
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 18, 2020, 11:14:16 PM
Thank you!

I ordered everything to start the advanced tutorial!
I am awaiting on a few items .

To recap :

I will be making 20ppm Colloidal silver using Kehpras forum Formula.

I will be using the following :

 :1000ml beaker.
: 2-10 Gauge Silver Anode / Cathode
: 50v 5A Power supply
: will set the current to 5ma
: the voltage will be set to 30v and it will be  monitored to make sure it remains at 10volts or above .
: Electrolysis duration 1:Hr ( Not 100 Minutes ? )

If successful the Tyndall effect should be minimal to none?

Yes, you can forget about any Tyndall, but it should ideally be minimal.

Thanks again!
Ed

Once I have all the items I will make a video so that my children have access to this knowledge in the future..
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 19, 2020, 12:13:06 AM
Always turn your voltage control full up, maximum.
Adjust current with the current control. 
The power supply will then vary the voltage to keep the current constant.
Current = voltage divided by resistance.
Resistance is determined by your cell chemistry which changes with time, and the electrode configuration.

If you are changing the ma (current) by raising and lowering the cathode, you are doing it wrong.
Damn, I was afraid of that. I did do it wrong then. So I've narrowed the problem down to my lack of understanding of the PSU.
It will not stay on CC.  I read someplace here that you have to short out the unit to get it to switch to CC? Short might be the wrong term, but could you point me in the right direction?


This can often happen if you try to adjust the CC circuit too high. If this happens, just run the batch and manually note the current. The amperage will eventually climb into the CC zone.
Any chance you can show me a video or elaborate more on that one point. I've very close but that CC vs CV on the power supply is confusing me. Sorry for being so dense.

1) Adjust voltage to max.
2) Adjust amperage to min.
3) Start the process, turn on the power.
4) Turn the current up VERY SLOWLY IN TINY INCREMENTS. The CC lamp should light.
5) Turn up the current adjuster very slightly until it is registering the desired current. If everything is working perfectly, the CC light should stay lit and the current should be on the correct desired current.
6) However, sometimes the CC light goes out and the unit will still be working, but the current (amperage) will slowly climb up to the set point, at which time the CC light will come back on, indicating that the current is now high enough to be regulated.
7) Continue the run to the end.

if you are having issues with power supply, this can be of help, I found this on amazon

(https://i.imgur.com/IRZBxHq.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/qeCyMwk.png)
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: skystardesigns on April 19, 2020, 09:33:37 PM
I am attempting to make litre of colloidal silver using the methods explained in this thread.
what colour colloidal silver to expect when made at 20ppm with gelatine only as capping and sodium carbonate as electrolyte.

Liam is correct. (Below) 20 ppm is bright yellow, maybe a little darker if you reduce with maltodextrin.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Liam on April 19, 2020, 10:13:59 PM
Check the color samples that are already posted.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: skystardesigns on April 20, 2020, 12:32:41 AM
Check the color samples that are already posted.
Thanks Liam,
I didnt see any color samples in this particular thread.
I know cfnisbet has mentioned yellow colour in his instructions when using non-gelatine capping agents - but I wasn't sure if that also applied to gelatine capping.
Should be looking at a different thread for Colloidal Silver colour related to gelatine capping?
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 20, 2020, 01:35:31 AM
Thank you!

I ordered everything to start the advanced tutorial!
I am awaiting on a few items .

To recap :

I will be making 20ppm Colloidal silver using Kehpras forum Formula.

I will be using the following :

 :1000ml beaker.
: 2-10 Gauge Silver Anode / Cathode
: 50v 5A Power supply
: will set the current to 5ma
: the voltage will be set to 30v and it will be  monitored to make sure it remains at 10volts or above .
: Electrolysis duration 1:Hr ( Not 100 Minutes ? )

If successful the Tyndall effect should be minimal to none?

Yes, you can forget about any Tyndall, but it should ideally be minimal.

Thanks again!
Ed

Once I have all the items I will make a video so that my children have access to this knowledge in the future..
Good luck ED.
Check the link below. It is a Computer Application for your module. You can install and control your module with your computer or Android phone/pad ETC. If you are a computer person it will be easier. The file you need is DPS5005 (do not download DPH)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/3iogirsx1s0vp/DPS_communication_upper_computer
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 20, 2020, 04:45:26 AM
Thank you!

I ordered everything to start the advanced tutorial!
I am awaiting on a few items .

To recap :

I will be making 20ppm Colloidal silver using Kehpras forum Formula.

I will be using the following :

 :1000ml beaker.
: 2-10 Gauge Silver Anode / Cathode
: 50v 5A Power supply
: will set the current to 5ma
: the voltage will be set to 30v and it will be  monitored to make sure it remains at 10volts or above .
: Electrolysis duration 1:Hr ( Not 100 Minutes ? )

If successful the Tyndall effect should be minimal to none?

Yes, you can forget about any Tyndall, but it should ideally be minimal.

Thanks again!
Ed

Once I have all the items I will make a video so that my children have access to this knowledge in the future..
Good luck ED.
Check the link below. It is a Computer Application for your module. You can install and control your module with your computer or Android phone/pad ETC. If you are a computer person it will be easier. The file you need is DPS5005 (do not download DPH)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/3iogirsx1s0vp/DPS_communication_upper_computer

which module? can you please link for module as well, Regards
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 20, 2020, 09:10:58 AM
The module was posted by "Etheric Zone 1111" (Ed) on page 7
 Reply #90 on: April 11, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 20, 2020, 04:14:46 PM
Thank you!
Can’t wait to start!

Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 20, 2020, 06:41:21 PM
Thank you!

I ordered everything to start the advanced tutorial!
I am awaiting on a few items .

To recap :

I will be making 20ppm Colloidal silver using Kehpras forum Formula.

I will be using the following :

 :1000ml beaker.
: 2-10 Gauge Silver Anode / Cathode
: 50v 5A Power supply
: will set the current to 5ma
: the voltage will be set to 30v and it will be  monitored to make sure it remains at 10volts or above .
: Electrolysis duration 1:Hr ( Not 100 Minutes ? )

If successful the Tyndall effect should be minimal to none?

Yes, you can forget about any Tyndall, but it should ideally be minimal.

Thanks again!
Ed

Once I have all the items I will make a video so that my children have access to this knowledge in the future..
Good luck ED.
Check the link below. It is a Computer Application for your module. You can install and control your module with your computer or Android phone/pad ETC. If you are a computer person it will be easier. The file you need is DPS5005 (do not download DPH)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/3iogirsx1s0vp/DPS_communication_upper_computer
thanks @smoke7, i am waiting on my module which i ordered its exact same as Ed module.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 20, 2020, 08:09:06 PM
I just received my HP 30v 333a Power adapter , do they sell an adapter for this type of plug , that can split into female banana plugs?

I rather buy an adapter than to cut the wires .

Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 20, 2020, 08:35:49 PM
I just received my HP 30v 333a Power adapter , do they sell an adapter for this type of plug , that can split into female banana plugs?

I rather buy an adapter than to cut the wires .

Ed

https://www.molex.com/molex/products/family/microfit_30

they should have it, check with them.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 20, 2020, 08:41:19 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 20, 2020, 09:55:27 PM
I decided to just cut off the plug, both wires are silver , one insulated wire has white lines on it , it there a negative & Positive ?

Thanks Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: wgpeters on April 20, 2020, 10:39:55 PM
I decided to just cut off the plug, both wires are silver , one insulated wire has white lines on it , it there a negative & Positive ?

Thanks Ed
Of course there is a positive and negative.  Use your voltmeter to determine which is which.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 20, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
Will do!

Thank you !

Just put the VM on it, the polarity was Incorrect , so I swapped the wires and figured out the - +

Thanks again ...
Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 21, 2020, 12:29:45 AM
Will do!

Thank you !

Just put the VM on it, the polarity was Incorrect , so I swapped the wires and figured out the - +

Thanks again ...
Ed
Looks perfect. I love those connectors easy to use and always handy.

For future reference DC adapters/power supply, the wire with white line represent positive (+), but it never hurts to double check.   
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 21, 2020, 01:02:57 AM
Thank you !
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 21, 2020, 01:28:16 AM
The module was posted by "Etheric Zone 1111" (Ed) on page 7
 Reply #90 on: April 11, 2020, 06:29:14 PM

I just metered it , and this Dc power cord , the White Line has insulated wire is - and the full black is + kind of wacky ..

Ed 
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 21, 2020, 04:34:07 AM
The module was posted by "Etheric Zone 1111" (Ed) on page 7
 Reply #90 on: April 11, 2020, 06:29:14 PM

I just metered it , and this Dc power cord , the White Line has insulated wire is - and the full black is + kind of wacky ..

Ed
Hmm, It's odd, I am glad you got it right.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on April 21, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
Looks perfect. I love those connectors easy to use and always handy.
For future reference DC adapters/power supply, the wire with white line represent positive (+), but it never hurts to double check.   
Yes, this is the normal thing, the white stripe indicates +ve

BUT you need to check, unless it is mentioned on the plug or transformer or elsewhere. I blew a CD player because the wires were the wrong way around.

When I bought a SilverTron, the ideal transformer was easily available from Maplin Electronics, who have unfortunately now gone bust. You can imagine how many times I tested it and checked which way round the polarity was, before I dared to hook one up to my precious SilverTron.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 21, 2020, 07:25:58 PM
Looks perfect. I love those connectors easy to use and always handy.
For future reference DC adapters/power supply, the wire with white line represent positive (+), but it never hurts to double check.   
Yes, this is the normal thing, the white stripe indicates +ve

BUT you need to check, unless it is mentioned on the plug or transformer or elsewhere. I blew a CD player because the wires were the wrong way around.

When I bought a SilverTron, the ideal transformer was easily available from Maplin Electronics, who have unfortunately now gone bust. You can imagine how many times I tested it and checked which way round the polarity was, before I dared to hook one up to my precious SilverTron.
I totally agree. I always double check before using any DC adapters/Charges. I am into remote control airplanes and have tons of lithium polymer batteries, imagine shortening those ;D. Anyways, what exactly is SilverTron? Is it just a power adapter with CC/VC module or is it something special? I was going to build a new generator with 3 way switches instead of a variable potentiometer to control/limit current and just switch on 3mA, 5mA and 15mA. I do have a module that can store up to 10 different settings and can easily program and store into the memory.     
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on April 21, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
Looks perfect. I love those connectors easy to use and always handy.
For future reference DC adapters/power supply, the wire with white line represent positive (+), but it never hurts to double check.   
Yes, this is the normal thing, the white stripe indicates +ve

BUT you need to check, unless it is mentioned on the plug or transformer or elsewhere. I blew a CD player because the wires were the wrong way around.

When I bought a SilverTron, the ideal transformer was easily available from Maplin Electronics, who have unfortunately now gone bust. You can imagine how many times I tested it and checked which way round the polarity was, before I dared to hook one up to my precious SilverTron.
I totally agree. I always double check before using any DC adapters/Charges. I am into remote control airplanes and have tons of lithium polymer batteries, imagine shortening those ;D. Anyways, what exactly is SilverTron? Is it just a power adapter with CC/VC module or is it something special? I was going to build a new generator with 3 way switches instead of a variable potentiometer to control/limit current and just switch on 3mA, 5mA and 15mA. I do have a module that can store up to 10 different settings and can easily program and store into the memory.   

https://www.silvertronstore.com/?page_id=13
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 21, 2020, 08:25:59 PM
Yes I don’t want to fry this lil guy !
Just arrived !

I am awaiting on the project box to start the tutorial generator.
Ed
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 21, 2020, 10:08:14 PM
Just powered up the unit with a 9v battery to make sure it’s working .
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 21, 2020, 11:02:48 PM
Just powered up the unit with a 9v battery to make sure it’s working .
Ed,
Take your time to learn this module. It is complicated at first but once you get the hang of it, it is a very cool and useful device for many things. It can store tons of information and you can store multiple different mA in the memory for easy access. One very important thing to remember, do not overpower it, it gets hot and can burn. Make sure there is plenty space behind it (for your task you should be safe by using less than half AMP and 30V power adapter).
P.S This module originally was designed and sold by Banggood, you can find more technical information on their site or their YouTube channel.    
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 21, 2020, 11:04:46 PM
Looks perfect. I love those connectors easy to use and always handy.
For future reference DC adapters/power supply, the wire with white line represent positive (+), but it never hurts to double check.   
Yes, this is the normal thing, the white stripe indicates +ve

BUT you need to check, unless it is mentioned on the plug or transformer or elsewhere. I blew a CD player because the wires were the wrong way around.

When I bought a SilverTron, the ideal transformer was easily available from Maplin Electronics, who have unfortunately now gone bust. You can imagine how many times I tested it and checked which way round the polarity was, before I dared to hook one up to my precious SilverTron.
I totally agree. I always double check before using any DC adapters/Charges. I am into remote control airplanes and have tons of lithium polymer batteries, imagine shortening those ;D. Anyways, what exactly is SilverTron? Is it just a power adapter with CC/VC module or is it something special? I was going to build a new generator with 3 way switches instead of a variable potentiometer to control/limit current and just switch on 3mA, 5mA and 15mA. I do have a module that can store up to 10 different settings and can easily program and store into the memory.   

https://www.silvertronstore.com/?page_id=13
Thank you.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Etheric Zone 1111 on April 21, 2020, 11:20:42 PM
Thanks for your  Help, I will only be using it to make my 20ppm Colloidal silver Asper the new tutorial .

I will update once All items arrives .

Ed 
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 24, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
I was trying to make something simple and usable for any jar, beaker, or any other container to hold the silver rods that will also be able to lift them up and down and change the distance (length) between the rods for any colloidal sliver you would like to make.
Here is what I came up with.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 24, 2020, 06:22:27 PM
A simple construction and all the parts I found were just from looking in my garage and basement, where I design and build my R/C airplanes.
The reason I built this from plastic was because I didn’t want any metal to touch the silver rods.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on April 24, 2020, 07:48:09 PM
Clever design Smoke.  It looks much easier to use and maintain that parallel distances and depths.  Bravo! :D
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on April 24, 2020, 08:03:39 PM
Thank you :)
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on April 24, 2020, 08:05:43 PM
Yes, nice work, there.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: DonSilvio on April 25, 2020, 02:47:06 AM
Thank you for putting this guide together. I read everything several times. Lots of familiar things.
I did not see a reference to the amount of Karo to be used... Will be capping with gelatin, using 1oz nugget, working with 1l of water. Any suggestions?

 The amount of Karo can vary, some people find that it reduces too fast, but I would start with 0.5ml of Karo and go up to 1ml if necessary, per litre of distilled water.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on May 03, 2020, 12:45:27 PM
How do these stones compare to the level of filtering you get from paper coffee filters? I was really struggling to find stones with actual stats on pore size but I got one with 0.5 micron I think. It calculated to 200nm pores and filters pretty quickly.

What is standard for these stones and how do they compare to coffee filters for filtering ability?

Coffee filter papers are far finer. They are therefore much slower. The purpose in filtering is to remove visible particles (like perhaps fine dust or bigger). You will often see small flakes of silver oxide in the colloidal silver, and it is this level of filtration that is necessary. You can do whichever method suits you, but siphoning the colloidal silver out from the production vessel into storage bottles through a air-filtration stone is fast, effective and adequate.

Post moved from among those relating to 3D Printing of Production Vessel Lids; the other posts relating to this subject are now in their own thread, to keep this thread on-topic.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on May 05, 2020, 10:30:49 PM
Can you expand you post about gel capping and HOW to make higher PPM colloidal silver?  It is still not clear on this forum post.

See reply below...
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on May 06, 2020, 12:24:24 PM
FOR THE ADVANCED STUDENT: THE MAKING OF 320 PPM COLLOIDAL SILVER & GEL CAPPING TIPS

From Kephra's other posts on the subject:-

A)
I never heat my 20 ppm unless I want to gel cap it.  Normally, it takes less than an hour to fully reduce.  But I use a ml of Karo per liter of colloidal silver.

The best way to gel cap 20 ppm colloidal silver is:
Add 1 gram of gelatin to 8 ounces of colloidal silver.
Let gelatin bloom, then heat enough to melt the gelatin.
Mix well.
This will by your stock gelatin solution.

Then heat your new colloidal silver to the temp required to melt the gelatin (approx 100C)
Add one tablespoon of your stock gelatin to the colloidal silver, and heat for a few minutes.
Stir well.
Let cool.

Done.
Refrigerate the remaining stock gelatin solution.

B)
320 ppm Gelatin Capped Metallic colloidal silver

Warning:  Should be diluted to 20 ppm before use.
250ml cold distilled water
1.0 gram or 1/4 tsp Knox unflavored gelatin
Electrode spacing 1.5 inches
Add 5 drops 1M Sodium Carbonate
Add 15 drops clear Corn Syrup (diluted 1 to 1 with distilled water)
Electrolyze 80 minutes @ 15ma
Constant stirring and heat required.  Heat water to a simmer (about 200F)

C)
GEL CAPPING TIPS

Here are some guidelines for using gelatin to make/cap silver nanoparticles:

An electronic scale, a heated stir plate, and chemical thermometer are recommended.

How much to use:  (based on results with 320 ppm silver batches using Knox brand unflavored gelatin):
Calculate minimum mg of gelatin =   ppm X ml /160
Calculate maximum mg of gelatin = ppm X ml /80

This amount will give good results.  Other members report success with less.  The amount is for Knox brand unflavored gelatin.  Other brands may require a different amount.

For 20 to 40 ppm, add the gelatin after the electrolysis.  For ppm > 40, add the gelatin at the start.
Add the gelatin to the water when cold and let it sit (bloom) for several minutes, then heat it to 60C until the gelatin dissolves, then start the electrolysis for ppm > 40, or just allow to cool if the electrolysis is finished.

For making high ppm (greater than 40 ppm)  the gelatin should be in the water during the electrolysis.

      Always add the gelatin to cold distilled water by sprinkling the powder on top so that there are no clumps.
      Let the gelatin soak for 5 minutes or longer to absorb water before applying heat.
      Apply stirring if you have a stirring device.
      Apply heat so the mixture warms up slowly, allowing all the gelatin to dissolve.  60C (140F) is sufficient.
      Keep the temperature of the solution above 140F/60C minimum to 190F/88C.  Avoid boiling to prevent excess evaporation.
      Use the appropriate amount of reducing agent (based on water volume and ppm) IE: 4 to 5 drops diluted corn syrup for 1 cup of 320 ppm colloidal silver (ppm*milliliters/16000).
      Use the appropriate amount of electrolyte (based only on water volume at 20 drops 1M sodium carbonate per liter)  IE: 4 to 5 drops for 1 cup of 320 ppm colloidal silver
      Reduction is much slower with gelatin in the water, so the solution must be kept warm for some time after the electrolysis is complete for the color change to occur indicating full reduction.
      Gelatin capped colloidal silver will be darker in color due to the weight of the gelatin dragging on the surface electrons of the particles.

D)
Alternate Method for 20 and 40 ppm colloidal silver:
Make gelatin solution by dissolving 1 gram of gelatin in 250ml of water or 20 ppm colloidal silver, and heat until dissolved.
Add an appropriate amount of this solution (try 1 teaspoon for each 250ml/cup of warm (140F) colloidal silver and allow to stand and cool for at least an hour.

These guides are based on experiments by Kephra and RickinWI and are suggested as a starting point, and may not be optimum.  However following these guides will result in quality colloidal silver nanoparticles.
Store unused gelatin in the refrigerator, and replace frequently to avoid spoilage.

Karo can be diluted with vodka.
'cold' means room temperature.  Allow a few minutes for gelatin to bloom.
Heat to temperature before starting electrolysis.

E)
From GOTOGUY's other posts on the subject:-

This is the methodology that i have came up with, which seems to be working very well hopefully this helps you out. one side note though I am working with large amounts [4500ml to be exact] so my methods take this into account and but maybe it will still help answer your questions I will try to be as detailed as possible. . .

--1] I preheat my 2 half gallon mason jars and a 3/4 [750ML] quart jar in a slow cooker. This gets the temp to about 145[this save the microwave ALOT OF WORK]  .  I then put the to half gallon jars in the microwave for about 20-30 minutes to get to about 195-200. .      now I have my 750ml of prewarmed water  and my 250ml pre mixture. . . . [my pre mixture is about 250ml of  "cold" room temp water with the electrolyte and karo in it but no gelatin]
--2] I then add the the premixture aka [250ml cool water] plus the prewarmed [750ml] 145 temp water to the 4500ml beaker making it 1liter full .
The first time I tried adding gelatin to cool water it failed miserably and globbed up everywhere, So im not exactly sure where the cool water comes in BUT from my experience gelatin does not mix well in cool water or even medium water, from my experience  it seems best arround 170 or hotter to completely dissolve. NOTE: for me I have to SLOWLY add the gelatin to to my hot warming up liter, while under high 1500rpm stir and under max heat. Adding it all at once results in globbing up adding it when to cold results in it globbing up. . .  when its all added allow to it to continue to stir on max stir and heat my half gallons are still reaching temp . I then temporarily stop the stir and check the clarity to make sure its ALL DISSOLVED.  Since this seems globbing up has been a occasional issue. . .[I've brewed about 7 gallons of 320 so far] Once all good I start stirr again and at this point the water is about 180 and my half gallons are at about 195-200 in the microwave
--3] I now add the scorching hot half gallons to the mix [this makes me so nervous, moving that heavy scorching hot jar from the microwave to the table]
Once my the half gallons are added the whole 4500ml is around 190-195 [Ideal temp is 200 but for me thats hard to reach since its so much water, but i occasional do, my temp always stays between 190 and 200 threw the whole run
--4]I now start my electrolysis for me that is 2 hours and 44 minutes at a 130ma[this is not a normal ma, but I have very large anode]I  then put a box over the beaker to keep it dark [kephra wrote an article on how light alters particle size and its best to have no light or red light to keep smallest particles] I also have it on a count down outlet timer to time the batch just right. . . .
2hours 44 minutes later im all done. . .   


I'm not sure if its the best practice but it seems to be working well for me so far. Im still confused the cold water transition to hot water part and at what tif there is a specific order to add/start each process but it seems to be working well so far. . .
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on May 06, 2020, 03:53:49 PM
What's this about karo reducing too fast? Too fast? What is the difference between fast and slow and what is the impact of "too fast"?
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: wgpeters on May 06, 2020, 04:52:20 PM
What's this about karo reducing too fast? Too fast? What is the difference between fast and slow and what is the impact of "too fast"?
It doesn't happen.  I've used Karo in various amounts, hot and cold, and its always worked perfectly.
Other brands may act differently because they use different combinations of sugars.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: RedDogJT on May 06, 2020, 05:50:06 PM
THANK YOU! LOTS OF GOOD INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE!
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: PhiPhi on May 07, 2020, 07:07:25 AM
@cfnisbet Thank you so much for making this thread the information is invaluable.  I have one one small suggestion.

It would be helpful to give quantities in metric and imperial.  8 fluid ounces UK =  227.30ml whereas 8 fluid ounces US = 236.59ml.  Metric measurements are easier on the mental arithmetic and the imperial measurements are confusing, I still remember using imperial at school but by 1972 I'd had it more or less beaten out of me.

Yes, I'll do that in future. The members from the USA mainly use US Imperial, so I'll use both from now on.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on May 12, 2020, 06:07:47 AM
FOR THE ADVANCED STUDENT: THE MAKING OF 320 PPM COLLOIDAL SILVER & GEL CAPPING TIPS

From Kephra's other posts on the subject:-

*snipped for brevity*

I did not understand this warning below:
""B)
320 ppm Gelatin Capped Metallic colloidal silver

Warning:  Should be diluted to 20 ppm before use.
250ml cold distilled water
1.0 gram or 1/4 tsp Knox unflavored gelatin
Electrode spacing 1.5 inches
Add 5 drops 1M Sodium Carbonate
Add 15 drops clear Corn Syrup (diluted 1 to 1 with distilled water)
Electrolyze 80 minutes @ 15ma
Constant stirring and heat required.  Heat water to a simmer (about 200F)""

Can someone kindly explain it to me, what does the warning mean?

Does it mean that whenever we use 320ppm we must dilute it to 20ppm and then use it?

or does it mean something else in regards to gel capping 320ppm while making it?

Thank you
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: wgpeters on May 12, 2020, 12:11:28 PM
Quote
I did not understand this warning below:
""B)
320 ppm Gelatin Capped Metallic colloidal silver

Warning:  Should be diluted to 20 ppm before use.
I placed the warning on high ppm silver simply because no one knows the exact transport mechanism from inside the gut to the blood stream.  For instance, the human body has a limit as to how much vitamin C it can absorb because the gut runs out of the transport molecules.  Since this was/is unkown, I thought the warning appropriate.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: imcool on May 12, 2020, 03:21:16 PM
Quote
I did not understand this warning below:
""B)
320 ppm Gelatin Capped Metallic colloidal silver

Warning:  Should be diluted to 20 ppm before use.
I placed the warning on high ppm silver simply because no one knows the exact transport mechanism from inside the gut to the blood stream.  For instance, the human body has a limit as to how much vitamin C it can absorb because the gut runs out of the transport molecules.  Since this was/is unkown, I thought the warning appropriate.
Alright, I get it, its for consumption. Thanks so much.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Turbidaceous on May 17, 2020, 11:32:21 PM
Quote
I did not understand this warning below:
""B)
320 ppm Gelatin Capped Metallic colloidal silver

Warning:  Should be diluted to 20 ppm before use.
I placed the warning on high ppm silver simply because no one knows the exact transport mechanism from inside the gut to the blood stream.  For instance, the human body has a limit as to how much vitamin C it can absorb because the gut runs out of the transport molecules.  Since this was/is unkown, I thought the warning appropriate.

Isn't 20ml of 100ppm the same as 100ml of 20ppm? Either method of consumption yields 2mg of silver. Unless I am not understanding something?
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: PhiPhi on May 25, 2020, 01:19:49 PM
The concern with the concentration is uncertainty on the body's uptake capacity, rather than risking overrunning what ever mechanism transports the AgNP's into the bloodstream with high ppm Colloidal Silver a lower concentration at higher volume is likely to be less taxing on it and possibly benefit with a higher % uptake. 
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: e11 on May 29, 2020, 08:57:20 PM
I bought sodium bicarbonate and tried to cook it in a steel pot, before transferring it into an oven bowl and had it in for an hour at a high gas mark 8 with no real change. Kept opening the oven every 10 minutes to check. How do you guys do yours?
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: wgpeters on May 29, 2020, 10:02:09 PM
What did you expect to happen? 
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: bcboy on May 30, 2020, 04:17:31 AM
 ???
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: e11 on June 04, 2020, 03:27:31 PM
What did you expect to happen?

I expected the powder to bubble slightly as the carbon dioxide and water escaped during the heating process. From the videos I watched this was done on a steel pot and they bubbled up.

The process I did was bake 50 grams of sodium bicarbonate in the oven for an hour, then put 30 grams of the powder into a 300ml bottle of distilled water. I've kept this in the fridge, ready to use for 2nd attempt
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: Smoke7 on June 07, 2020, 09:05:22 PM
Thanks for your  Help, I will only be using it to make my 20ppm Colloidal silver Asper the new tutorial .

I will update once All items arrives .

Ed

Hello Ed.
I found your silver generator instructional, great video.
I have two suggestions for you (The first one is my personal opinion). I would not use a metal thermometer in the silver, I always use a glass thermometer. The second suggestion is more mandatory about your current controller. I saw the current was jumping up and down from 5 to 7mA and stopped at the 7mA. Sounds like your current controller is set by voltage and not by current. If you lock it by the current the voltage can go up and down but the current stays at the point you locked it or less but not over the limitation. In your case it is 5mA. Set your device by current limitation not by voltage.
Title: Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
Post by: cfnisbet on June 08, 2020, 08:34:47 PM
This thread is now locked; only because other follow-up questions would be better dealt with in their own thread. This thread will remain as a constant "sticky" for others to follow. The questions after page one, I hope, will answer some of the most common questions; if they don't by all means start a new thread in the appropriate section.