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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Baked baking soda vs washing soda
« Last post by Josie29 on January 19, 2020, 04:27:08 PM »
Wow, still learning from you Kephra!!

The scale that I use does not auto zero as you describe. 

However, I do like your approach regarding using an item with known weight (i.e. nickel, 5 gms). 

In fact I have done something similar when dealing with very small weights: Placing a known weighted item on first and then adding the powder to be properly measured. (Subtract the known weight, thus getting the powder weight.) The theory is that the scale is more likely to recognize the powder weight more accurately than if I only had put the powder on the scale by itself. Sometimes the scale won't even register in the 0.004 gms region unless I use the known weight.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Baked baking soda vs washing soda
« Last post by kephra on January 18, 2020, 12:32:36 PM »
I suspect you actually had 2 different amounts of electrolyte.
In chemistry, if you do the exact same thing you will get the exact same result.  So your batches were not the same.

I think a lot of problems happen because of measuring the sodium carbonate.
Electronic scales have a feature called auto zero.  If you put a weight on the scale and then turn it on, it will automatically read zero.  Thats a nice feature.

However, if you turn the scale on, and then add weight a small amount at a time, it will keep re-zeroing, and the result is that the final result is heavier than it should be.  The scale reads light.

The solution is to put a known weight on the scale first before adding the chemical.  I use an American nickel which is 5 grams.  Once you put the weight on the scale, it will defeat the auto-zero function, and it will read 5 grams.  Then weigh out your chemical until it weighs 5 grams plus the weight you want.  So if you wanted 10 grams of chemical, the scale will read 5 + 10, or 15 grams total.

And don't forget that baked baking soda and commercial washing soda weigh different because of the water in the washing soda. 

10.6 grams for baked baking soda (anhydrous sodium carbonate)
12.4 grams for Arm & Hammer washing soda. 
With enough distilled water to make 100ml.

If you don't have Arm & Hammer brand, I recommend baking the water out of it first and using the 10.6 gram amount. 

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Colloidal Silver Production / Baked baking soda vs washing soda
« Last post by Blackthorn on January 18, 2020, 01:40:26 AM »
I made two identical (at least as close as I could) batches of colloidal silver except for the electrolyte. Well technically it is the same electrolyte since baked baking soda is sodium carbonate (washing soda). I got different results for each though as far as color and clarity go. The baked baking soda came out darker yet seemed to be more clear. Has anybody else had this experience? Which of the 2 should I continue making for consumption? Thanks
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Questions and Comments about Articles / Re: Help on tyndall effect and blur
« Last post by renowatio on January 10, 2020, 06:53:04 AM »
My new party 80ppm. . 8 drop turmeric extract 500 ml with a magnetic stirrer at 70 ° C with 0,5 ml electrolyte coated with 120 mg gelatin. then I did dilution. I think the color was a little dark. but the clarity is very nice. No blur. Thanks in advance for your feedback and help.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: I'm feeling pretty dumb today...
« Last post by Neofizz on January 09, 2020, 10:16:05 PM »
I understand what you are saying FlyingDutchman. There was once a time where I could store IS in my well cleaned glass juice bottles and it would seem to keep fine. Since practicing the methods on this site it seems to be a thing of the past. I agree, minute levels of contamination is all that's needed for the IS to start "seeds" that get the ball rolling.

I have taken care to keep IS production equipment away from Colloid equipment but still seem to have hit and miss times with it. It's like colloidal gremlins are tampering when I'm not looking (or even when I am). All jokes aside, when I'm fully settled in and have the time, more experimentation will happen.  ;)
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I have read some studies on the subject, and consensus seems to be that ingestion of colloidal silver will influence the composition of gut flora (potentially creating some imbalance) as well as a protein imbalance, but nothing so serious that the body could not correct that itself. Unless, of course, ingestion is exaggerated.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: I'm feeling pretty dumb today...
« Last post by FlyingDutchman on January 09, 2020, 08:04:18 PM »
pureequine,
I run into a similar problem when I want to make pure ionic silver for creams and other purposes. And even though the ionic silver starts to turn yellow (colloidal), there is still a lot of ionic in there if it is not being properly reduced using the method(s) described in this forum. Additionally, when the methods of reduction and stabilization described here are not carried out, the nanoparticles will continue to grow in size until they are no longer useful.

I tested this by making pure ionic silver solution (20 ppm) and kept it in a dark cupboard. It started out clear and colorless. In a couple months it was an opaque brown and useless. This has never happened with properly reduced, stabilized and/or capped samples. I've had some sit around almost a year before using them and they were still like new. Even if they were in the light they still held. Others have reported years.

I have stored ionic silver oxide solution in amber glass bottles I only use for this purpose, inside a refrigerator (average temperature here is 30° C), and it stays unaltered, colorless for months, and shows high ionic content doing the salt test. I have also used very well cleaned out gin and grape juice bottles, in which case the ionic silver reduced in a couple of days. This shows how little contamination is needed to mess up your ionic silver solution.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Aloe reduced/capped AgNP 20ppm
« Last post by FlyingDutchman on January 09, 2020, 07:26:59 PM »
Best wishes for 2020 and good experimenting! My Aloé vera powder has never let me down, I am not sure what may have happened in your case...
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Something is going wrong
« Last post by Gene on January 09, 2020, 06:52:00 PM »
Black or dark grey is good!  Thats what the silver anode should look like after a run.  That greyish stuff is silver oxide that hasn't dissolved in the water yet.

When you flame clean the anode, you're turning that silver oxide back into silver and melting it to the surface of the silver wire if you were curious and you're burning off any "gunk" that might be on it, especially if you're making very high PPM where you add the gelatine (for gel capping) at the beginning of the run.  It gunks up after an hour or more and you have to flame clean the anode, put it back and continue the run.

There was some talk about the absolute minimum being around 2-3v but Kephra always said to try hard to stay OVER 10V.  There are reasons but I'm not exactly remembering why.

When I made pints of 20PPM cold back when I started, I was running 3ma and with adjusting the electrolyte level (18 drops/quart), maybe going to 16, I was always able to get the voltage up over 10V.

I did find that the cathode which is what you adjust to adjust the cell voltage, as a 12 gauge or 14 gauge wire even is just TOO sensitive to adjust.  Too much surface area even with maybe 1/4" submerged.  What I went to was a piece of wire from an old ethernet cable.  The wires are 24 gauge. I just stripped about an inch and a half of insulation off the end, wiped the wire clean with alcohol to make sure there wasn't anything on it from when they put the insulation on, stripped maybe half an inch on the other end to connect the current limiter to and use that now. NOW, I can have maybe an inch of that submerged to start with (very little surface area) and then, even if its a long run (time) and I go away for a couple hours and I'm running at a higher temp, any evaporation in the cell (you always get some) will not drop the level low enough that the cathode is completely out of the water because if that ever happens, you have absolutely NO clue what you made (maybe not the case with a silvertron as it measures "electrons" and if the current stops there aren't any "electrons" flowing for it to measure).

You most certainly don't want a 12 gauge silver cathode. You'd have to barely glance the surface of the water with the tip of it to get the cell up over 10V and not even evaporation but just mechanical vibration would "disconnect" it from the water on and off.

Try a thin piece of copper wire as the cathode and see if that helps.  Save the other silver wire for when the first one you're using gets too thin to be useful anymore. No, copper for the cathode isn't going to cause an issue. Nothing comes off the cathode during the run - only the silver anode.

This is a "failed" plating cell.  You pull silver ions into the water and unlike with a functioning plating cell where they deposit on the cathode or whatever is connected to it (electroplating - thats how it works), the electrolyte interferes with this happening, they go nowhere, remain dissolved in the water and you build up the concentration (PPM) over time as the cell runs.

The electrolyte does the above, it lowers the resistance of the water so you can actually get reasonable amounts of current to flow (water by itself unless its heavily mineral laden is damn near a perfect insulator - distilled is about as pure as it gets from a consumer perspective) and after the run, the electrolyte leaves the PH of the cell around 8PH (alkaline) which is required for a reducing sugar to reduce.

Glucose (dextrose - same sugar, 2 names) looks like a snake hanging onto its tail at acidic PH (a ring). When you push it into the alkaline PH region, the "snake" lets go of its tail and the head starts looking for something else to hang onto.  It finds the silver oxide, rips the oxygen off it and now you have nanoscopic particles of pure, elemental silver floating in water (colloid).  This is exactly how the process works. As Kephra says, for something to be "reduced", something else must be oxidized (the glucose reducing sugar).

If what you made, which sounds like the right color for 20PPM, is tasteless, you're good.  If it tastes metallic, there's still some ionic silver in there and thats not good.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Something is going wrong
« Last post by Blackthorn on January 08, 2020, 10:44:16 PM »
HP is part of my cleaning process.
I use the 2 silver 12 gauge 6" wires that come with the silvertron. Forgot to mention it turned black last batch.
So am I not supposed to see any "smoke" coming off the anode while it's cooking?
Like I said though, this batch looks good, clear and yellow. Is it not good for consumption
Because of the smoking effect? How important is it to reach the 10 volts?
I'll measure the current during my next run. Thanks
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