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Offline emanwols

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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2018, 01:32:38 AM »
Gelatin holds particles in suspension.  So you might be making a lot of silver oxide particles and not seeing it because of the gelatin holding it in suspension.
When i dilute the 320ppm Colloidal Silver just to check for turbidity and colour everything seems fine. but since i do not drink it do you think that it is still effective as a mouthwash even with the silver oxide particles?

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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2018, 01:36:32 AM »
Hello Neofizz
i do not understand why if gelatin capped colloidal silver can or should withstand stomach acids it cannot withstand lemon juice for a few minutes.

This took more than a few minutes to happen. It was a large glass and took the better part of an hour to consume. It was about at the half hour point that I noticed the colour change occurring at the sliced areas of the lemon wedges at the bottom of the glass. I was considering with the lemon wedges being where the acid strength would be greatest, that it was the cause of the colour change I was seeing. This is just my observation.
Fair enough. I assume that our Colloidal Silver will make it out of the stomach into intestines long before acids affect it

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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2018, 01:42:54 AM »
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do you think that it is still effective as a mouthwash even with the silver oxide particles
Yes.
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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2018, 02:44:05 PM »
Alex,

When I make 320 I start electrolysis at about 30 degrees C. Then I allow it to steadily rise getting to between 75 - 80 degrees ONLY BY THE END OF THE RUN!.

I make 1 litre batches always so i'm in for about 5 hrs. 20 minutes at 15ma.
The expansion as it starts to heat sees volume increase beyond the 1 litre mark and I have full coverage of the 1 litre beaker with a lid (breather hole in the centre only.)

I have NEVER ended up with less than 1 litre by the end! try gentle increasing of heat rather than wacking the cell straight in at high temp. It really doesn't need it. As long you are above the solubility limit and you're reducing and electrolyte is accurate you should sail through the batch.

It never tastes metallic.

I do filter but in truth, if you are diligent and careful with anode / cathode cleaning during the run, you shouldn't get any residue.

As Kephra says, any drinkable water AFTER production is fine. I put it in tea, coffee, orange juice, distilled water, filtered water..........

Well done on the run!

thanks for the answer dean.i've cleaned my electrodes every 30 min, also no residue on the bottom.the weird taste was from diluting with RO water.it was from RO water because after that I've diluted 15 ml in 250 distilled water and was tasteless  ;D
I must build a lid to stop losing water because of the condensation and I'll start the process earlier, from a lower temp.
maybe is better to dilute in distilled water if you don't drink it the same day, I think diluting in tea, or juice or something else and store it for a long period of time is bad.
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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2018, 06:56:14 PM »
Alex,

I would only add the silver to a drink when needed. Keep it in it's own vessel until you need it.
If you make a lid, make sure you use something that will not leach anything into the cell during production.

The lid that Kephra provides with the Silverton is made from antibacterial food cutting board (you know the white ones).

I made one from a sugar jar lid that was made from wood at the beginning because it fitted my 1 litre beaker.
It used to sweat which brought contamination into the cell as it dripped in over time.

So whatever you do, use something like the food board and cut to size and accurately drill to 1. 5" (38mm) centres for your electrodes.

Good Luck!


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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2018, 04:28:34 PM »
thanks.i'll use polypropylene for the lid.
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40 ppm turbidity problem
« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2018, 10:56:25 AM »
hi, after making a lot of 20ppm and also 320 ppm with success, today I mess up something with my first 40ppm process.
I heated 2L of DW 001ppm  to 50degres C  then put 36 drops electrolyte (18 drops is 1ml for my dropper)and 20 drops 50/50 reducing agent.current was 10mA.started the process and the water temp rise slowly with the process until 70 degrees C.cleaned up the electrodes every 30 min.something strange was when I pull out the electrodes for cleaning with the torch I saw something  like greenish moisture on the anode .from what I've read,  a lot of people here don't heat so much,  maybe 50 degrees is enough?what do you think, where I've mess up things? :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhW6ku9BFDM&feature=youtu.be
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40 ppm turbidity problem
« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2018, 02:32:56 PM »
I've run into the same issue when adding the reducing agent while it is cooking. Then tried it with both the reducing agent and the capping agent, not really much better.

What I do now is to heat the distilled water in a 900 W microwave for 3.33 minutes, add just the electrolyte, top off the cell w/DW and start the process. I have also made a insulating wrap for the cell as I don't use a hot plate. But there is a stirrer.

Once the time is up (5 ma, .95 l, 1 ml electrolyte, 2 hours run time), the Colloidal Silver is a light yellow in color. I place the capping agent (liquid gelatin), and the reducing agent (karo) into an empty distilled water jug. Reheat the cell in the microwave for 1.11 minutes. Then pour it into the jug, cap and shake. Leave sit until cool.

Then bottle it. By the next morning it is a light amber color and clear.

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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2018, 03:02:02 PM »
thanks for the reply argentum,

now I make my second attempt but this time I put the electrolyte and the reducing agent in cold DW and start the process.i'll be heating at around 50 degrees :'( C.see what's happening.....
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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2018, 06:12:34 PM »
the second attempt less turbidity
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Re: 40 ppm turbidity problem
« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2018, 11:23:52 PM »
hi, after making a lot of 20ppm and also 320 ppm with success, today I mess up something with my first 40ppm process.
I heated 2L of DW 001ppm  to 50degres C  then put 36 drops electrolyte (18 drops is 1ml for my dropper)and 20 drops 50/50 reducing agent.current was 10mA.started the process and the water temp rise slowly with the process until 70 degrees C.cleaned up the electrodes every 30 min.something strange was when I pull out the electrodes for cleaning with the torch I saw something  like greenish moisture on the anode .from what I've read,  a lot of people here don't heat so much,  maybe 50 degrees is enough?what do you think, where I've mess up things? :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhW6ku9BFDM&feature=youtu.be

Alex,

The batches I make are 40 and 320 pretty much exclusively and always 1 litre volume.

For 40ppm try 1 litre first and see how you get on with this process:

1. Room temp DW (1litre about 20 - 22 degrees C)
2. Start heat and spin (heat dial at about 12 o'clock only or the point at which you are getting heat in).
3. Add your 1ml Electrolyte (for 1 litre volume)
4. Add your karo
5. let the temp get up to about 30 degrees
6. Start your cell - I run at 10ma with a bullion
7. Keep an eye on the temperature but don't go above 40 C. (You really don't need to).
8. Finish the cell
9. Turn off the heat - Leave it spinning for a few minutes.
10. See how it looks.

Alternatively
Follow the above but use / try 0.6g of maltodextrin as your reducer.
I get the cleanest most consistent batches ever using malto. (tried this after reading some of Wayne's posts).


for both my preferred batches (40 and 320) I start the cell at 30c and let them rise for the duration of the runs. I keep the 40ppm to 40c max (and only 40c by the end of the 1 hour run time)

The 320 I start at 30c and let it slowly rise to about 75c by the end of the 5 1/2 hour run (15ma with a bullion)

Hope this helps.

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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2018, 06:33:51 AM »
dean,

can you tell me how much Karo(diluted)you use for 1L 40PPM ?many thanks in advance
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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #72 on: March 20, 2018, 07:46:51 PM »
today I made another experiment with 40ppm.500ml,10mA,9drops electrolyte and 2 drops reducing agent .start the cell by 40 degrees and reach 65 in 15 min.the process time was 30 min, first 20 min no turbidity, perfectly clear  and in the last 10 min something was starting to show on the anode, you can see the video.this is the reason for turbidity.what I don't know for sure is why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRKnlCkvVQ
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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2018, 08:54:08 PM »
Alex,

A few things to check...

1. Have you recently cleaned your beaker with peroxide?
I had a 40ppm batch go completely opaque within about 10 minutes once.
I had just cleaned my beaker with hydrogen peroxide so thoroughly, thoroughly cleaned it again and it went perfect the second time round.

2. Are you using fresh electrolyte / accurately mixed?
Sometimes just going back to basics is enough to alter the chemistry.

3. Are anode and cathode fire cleaned before the run starts?
Just to rule out any contamination “pre-run”
4. Is your Karo fresh ( can attract mould if diluted and not used up fairly quickly.)

Just a few checks to eliminate the most common causes of what I’ve found to affect clarity.

Lastly, you’re still taking the temperature higher than I would go. I start the cell at 30c and let it rise to 40c by the end.

Have a go at that and see what happens.

Hope this helps.



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Re: Requesting help.
« Reply #74 on: March 21, 2018, 12:39:58 AM »
I've never been able to get non-turbid 40 PPM when adding a reducer or reducer and capping agent at the beginning. I wait until the electrolysis is done then add the reducer and capping agent to a plastic jug and pour in the Colloidal Silver to fully reduce and cap it.

The other thing, are you keeping the cell voltage above 10 volts?

Interesting phenomenon with what looks like smoke coming off the anode.

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