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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2020, 11:44:08 PM »
I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

It looks like .999 fine silver so it should work just fine.

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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2020, 02:14:38 AM »
The Power Supply Unit;

This is the sort of laboratory bench Power Supply Unit you need. The one in the photo is a 30 Volt 5 Amp DC power supply. It must have a Constant-Current circuit in the specifications, and 30V with 3A output is about the minimum.

I am not going to give schematics or tell people how to convert a plug-in wall transformer, as I want anyone to be able to buy the stuff that I recommend straight off the shelf and use it.

The disadvantage of this unit is that the Constant Current circuitry is not very accurate in the measurement of very small currents, but it does hold that small current accurately. What I mean is that one of my bench PSU holds a current of 5 milliamps accurately at 7 milliamps; the stated current (5mA) is not the same as the output current (which is 7mA), but it does hold 7mA reasonably closely throughout the run. It is therefore adequate for our purpose.

The units are reasonably cheap and can be bought from eBay or Amazon very easily.

can i use same supply for colloidal gold  as well, I read somewhere that you must have 40vdc for making colloidal gold, but I dont have 40vdc, I only have 30VDC 10A supply, please advise. thank you

Yes, this is partly the reason that these PSUs were chosen. Just change the machine to operate in Constant Voltage mode and run it according to the instructions in the Colloidal Gold Production thread. Your 30V10A PSU is perfectly good; if you ever get another and want one specifically for Colloidal Gold production, then maybe the 50V10A option might be a little better, but the one you have is fine for the purpose.
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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2020, 02:27:52 PM »
I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2020, 02:53:22 PM »
Thank you I didn’t know that🙏

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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2020, 03:47:31 PM »
Cathode Gauge Question :

I will be using 10 Gauge silver Anode, I have 18 Gauge Fire alarm Copper Wire, I checked the specs it said solid copper I hope no other metals are mixed in, I also have a 6-8 Gauge copper Rod .

Which will work better for the  electrolysis process ?

Thanks Ed

They will be very similar; use either, both will be fine.
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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2020, 03:51:46 PM »
The thinner the copper the better. No metal comes off the cathode. Just make sure it's bare metal so it will be electrically conductive with the water. I use 0.4mm copper wire, very flimsy stuff, not sure what gauge that is but it's really thin. The thinner it is, the deeper you can insert it, which is important if you are making Colloidal Silver using a hotplate since you lose water through evaporation.

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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2020, 03:58:17 PM »
Thank you!

I’ll be using the thinner 18Gauge copper.

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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2020, 04:35:51 PM »
26 gauge is what I use. I looked it up here https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/awg-wire-gauge-d_731.html

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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2020, 05:20:55 PM »
I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
Thank you all for help.
This is the one I just bought of the E-Bay. I hope I've got the right one.  :)

Yes, that's good.
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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2020, 05:47:29 PM »
Looks good. Make sure you do not have any crocodile clips or anything else attached to it that touch the water. Only have the silver touching the water.

Yes, correct; very important.

I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
Thank you all for help.
This is the one I just bought of the E-Bay. I hope I've got the right one.  :)
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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2020, 06:24:01 PM »
Looks good. Make sure you do not have any crocodile clips or anything else attached to it that touch the water. Only have the silver touching the water.

I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
Thank you all for help.
This is the one I just bought of the E-Bay. I hope I've got the right one.  :)

Thank you.
I am going to drill a hole on top of the bar and attache the copper wire. (No crocodile clips ;) ) Do I need to solder the copper wire to the silver bar or just do a couple of loops will be enough to pass electricity through it?
Thanks again, you guys ROCK !!!

Any way is OK as long as it's a firm connection, but just don't let the junction or suspension wire touch the water.
 
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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2020, 06:28:40 PM »
The price is not bad at all , going to buy 1!

Thanks Ed

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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2020, 07:53:07 PM »
@Smoke7, I may be paranoid, but I would not use copper wire to attach the silver bar. Especially if you are using heat, I think there could be moisture that would get on the copper wire, complete the circuit, and suck some copper into the electrolysis. It might be worth the investment to get some silver wire.

The basic instructions call for cleaning the electrode at the end of the process. That is fine for making a liter of 20ppm. If you start make higher ppm with heat & gelatin, you will need to fire clean the bar along the way, perhaps several times. For example, when making a liter of 320ppm at 15mA, I clean the anode (& wipe the cathode) about every 20 minutes at the beginning. Toward the end, it seems like I can extend the time to 30-35 minutes. I also find that I get less build up of silver oxide on the cathode when I run with the water hotter.

The SH-2 on eBay or Amazon is an economical stirring hot plate. I see Amazon has an even cheaper stirring hot plate available now, but I don't know anything about that one. I've used an SH-2 for several years.

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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2020, 09:01:03 PM »
@Smoke7, I may be paranoid, but I would not use copper wire to attach the silver bar. Especially if you are using heat, I think there could be moisture that would get on the copper wire, complete the circuit, and suck some copper into the electrolysis. It might be worth the investment to get some silver wire.

The basic instructions call for cleaning the electrode at the end of the process. That is fine for making a liter of 20ppm. If you start make higher ppm with heat & gelatin, you will need to fire clean the bar along the way, perhaps several times. For example, when making a liter of 320ppm at 15mA, I clean the anode (& wipe the cathode) about every 20 minutes at the beginning. Toward the end, it seems like I can extend the time to 30-35 minutes. I also find that I get less build up of silver oxide on the cathode when I run with the water hotter.

The SH-2 on eBay or Amazon is an economical stirring hot plate. I see Amazon has an even cheaper stirring hot plate available now, but I don't know anything about that one. I've used an SH-2 for several years.

OH, thank you!!!
I didn't think about moister. I do have two silver rods that I am using to make colloidal silver; once I receive the silver bar I can attach one of the rods to the silver bar.
Thanks again.
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Re: HOW TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER if you can't get a SilverTron
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2020, 09:45:16 PM »
I drilled a 2mm hole in my silver and bought 2mm silver wire and used that instead of copper so in a worst case scenario if water splashes on it, the only contact with the water is always silver. No solder needed. Avoid that. I just used my pliers to bend an eyelet to hold it in place.

I personally don't do this, but it's a very good idea.

Looks good. Make sure you do not have any crocodile clips or anything else attached to it that touch the water. Only have the silver touching the water.

I am not a big coins collector or know much about silver.
Can someone help me with this: Scarce 1985 1oz .999 Fine Silver Jelenko Dental Health Products Silver Art Bar.
Is this real .999 silver or just an art bar. Will this be a good choice?
Thank you.

Canadian Maple leaf silver coins are 9999

Either .999 fine or .9999 fine are both OK. Unless you buy a Maple Leaf, don't bother with .9999 fine, as the premiums are absurd. A .999 fine bar is no worse than .9999 fine, and most bullion authorities consider that .999 fine tests the same as .9999 fine under spectroscopic analysis.
Thank you all for help.
This is the one I just bought of the E-Bay. I hope I've got the right one.  :)

Thank you.
I am going to drill a hole on top of the bar and attache the copper wire. (No crocodile clips ;) ) Do I need to solder the copper wire to the silver bar or just do a couple of loops will be enough to pass electricity through it?
Thanks again, you guys ROCK !!!

Any way is OK as long as it's a firm connection, but just don't let the junction or suspension wire touch the water.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2020, 01:51:36 PM by cfnisbet »