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bsilverman444

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CG color
« on: July 28, 2012, 10:14:01 PM »
I have made a 4 L batch of cg using kephra's 1-1-1 model as a base.

4000 ml dw
1/4 tspn salt
1/2 tspn sodium citrate
1 tbspn cinnamon extract
gold coin anode
350 mA constant current

Photo taken after every hour.

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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 10:33:49 PM »
After 4 1/2 hours i turned off the current but kept the heat on.

Then i added 2 ml more of cinnamon. The cg turned a darker ruby red. Left side photo.

Then another 2 ml of cinnamon. The cg changed color tone from ruby towards pinkish, tho the photo shows darker ruby. Right side photo. Dont know whats happening here. Suspect over saturation of cinnamon. Anyone know what effect that has?

Any guesses as to ppm? The photos are slightly darker than actual cg.


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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2012, 10:46:54 PM »
Wow, thats a big batch!
Colloidal Silver is only a bargain if you make it yourself.

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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2012, 10:56:42 PM »
I think you should have used more salt.  The formula I gave was:

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1/2 teaspoon table salt
1/2 teaspoon sodium citrate powder
1 tablespoon cinnamon extract
1 gal (or 4 liters) distilled water.

This would bring your ppm up higher.
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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2012, 12:23:32 AM »
I deliberately cut the salt by half because i want to see if it would taste better, and it does. Maybe sacrificing ppm?

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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2012, 12:41:15 AM »
Yes, lower ppm,  you can compensate by longer time.
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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2012, 12:48:31 AM »
Ok, thx. Can u estimate the ppm of this run?

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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2012, 01:18:46 AM »
Maybe 25 to 35 is the best estimate I can make.
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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2012, 01:20:02 AM »
Ok thanks, i am happy with that.

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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2012, 02:12:16 AM »
Not bad at all... I say very good.

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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2012, 02:28:11 AM »
Thanks.

I must say that color in colloidals is deceiving.

The more volume the darker the color. The photo below illustrates this as they are both the exact same cg.

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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2012, 02:22:22 PM »
First off congrats bsilverman444 great job!  I don't know if you caught it in one of the other posts I had but Kephra told me to boil my colloidal gold after to reduce the nasty chlorine taste and it helps ALOT!  I make 1000 ml at a time and usually boil for about 10 mins then add distilled water to bring volume back up if needed.  I also use the 1-1-1 formula and have had great luck with it thus far.  I add the cinnamon extract to mine right at the beginning of the process I am not sure if that matters or not but works great for me.  colloidal gold is amazing stuff! 

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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2012, 03:07:14 PM »
Thanks lordkarma. Yes i did catch the bit about boiling it after and that does help a lot. In this case i also topped up the water every 10-15 minutes as it evaporated quickly, and i ended up using a total of 8 liters, double the finished amount!

That and the fact that i used half the recommended salt, this batch has nearly no taste at all! I also added the cinnamon at the beginning and just added all the extra at the end as an after thought.

It did change color a lot also so something happened and i dont know if it is a benefit or not. Was hoping the experts would analyze that and give me some more good advises.

I have already concluded that it must be more efficient to make larger qty's since i used 16X the standard of water (250 ml) and only ran the process 3X longer, 290 min. as opposed to 90 min.

Of course i dont know my final ppm, but using kephra's guess of 25-35 ppm, i am very close to the desired 40 ppm.

And judging from the color changes every hour, i suspect if i ran it for another hour is would be up to the 40 ppm.

I would have liked to keep adding more cinnamon to see where that would go, but didnt want to chance spoiling that big qty. I might pour off some and heat it up and give it a go for experimental sake! And fun too!

I cant really say what benefits i may be getting from cg yet, but I think there may be some which i will report later when i am more sure. In the meantime it is very satisfying to make cg and watch water turn to wine.



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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2012, 03:24:57 PM »
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In this case i also topped up the water every 10-15 minutes as it evaporated quickly,
A loose fitting lid will keep the water loss to a minimum.  Once I get my 3D printer and figure out how to use it, I am going to make a couple with built in electrode holders to see how they work.
Colloidal Silver is only a bargain if you make it yourself.

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Re: Colloidal Gold color
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2012, 03:36:04 PM »
Kool! Since my setup is very basic i dont have a way to adjust the anode into the water as the water evaporates, so i just top up the water to bring it up to the anode so it is in the water an 1/8 to a 1/4 inch or until the amps stabilize at the 350 setting. Once the water reduces a bit the amp gauge starts to flutter and the voltage starts going up.

I suppose i should make a lid out of plexiglass or something. But for now, since i am still excited about making it, its ok as is.  Once the novelty wears off i may get motivated to reclaim the lost water.

The 3d printer sounds very exciting!